But I did stumble upon, I think it was late 2019, the interview that Commander Fraver did on Joe Rogan.
But I know the type, the bravado, the way they carry themselves. And as soon as I watch five minutes of Fraver in this guy is the real deal, right?
You have eyewitnesses, David Fraver, who you mentioned, who is really, I think, a source of belief for a lot of people, kind of proxy belief,
Commander Fraver is flying one of them.
The other plane, Fraver's wingman, wing woman, was Commander Alex.
Fraver departs Dietrich stays up high and starts circling.
And Fraver's going lower and lower.
And as he goes down, the jet, according to Fraver, kind of reacts to him coming down.
And it kind of does... Fraver does a...
So as Fraver's going down the circle, the thing does one of these...
And you said Fraver said that.
Fraver didn't see that.
because in Fraver has said that that log is third-hand.
Fraver said that.
I think Fraver himself, as I actually said, that when they arrived,
If you're saying that Dietrich's account matches Fraver's account,
And Commander Fraver says it lasted about five minutes.
I would think probably Fraver, because there's some more experience, pilot.
Apparently, Fraver tells Underwood, hey, we just saw something weird.
So, and you really think David Fraver saw just a normal aircraft?
You know, Fraver and Patrick, like, had an encounter with a little tick-tack of some sort.
I think the Dietrich and Fraver encounter sounds by itself as being a really interesting event.
And it's... Fraver's account of it, the commensuous people, is what commenced you, with his Joe Robin thing,
and a lot of people on the hill have talked to Fraver and heard his account, and they've been commenced by it.
I think it was 2015 when Fraver started talking on, like, Viter-Pada, like, podcast.
I know Fraver has been used.
Fraver has been skeptical of that publicly.
And then Fraver just happened.
But yeah, obviously maybe Fraver didn't know.
I need to quickly add that both Commander Fraver and the Tenet Commander...