And he was doing like normal medical training.
And he was actually part of the Army Specialized Training Program.
And there's a guy also at Northwestern at the time named Warren S. McCullough.
And what exactly is going on there?
So who is he recruiting to do these experiments and what sort of experiments is he running at the Roundtable Foundation?
As you'll know, if you're older than, say, the age of 28 or 29, it's not usual.
So who is he recruiting to do these experiments, and what sort of experiments is he running at the Roundtable Foundation?
So, again, it started with a lot of just basic ESP stuff.
In this instance, the Amanita muscaria, you know, gives people ESP abilities, and they did extensive research on that there.
But on the cover of that book, you know, Aldous Huxley gives a blurb for Buharic and calls him, you know, the greatest mind in parapsychology.
And that maybe what Jesus underwent was some sort of kind of pagan mystery ritual that allowed him to sort of gain the magical powers that he achieved in the book of Acts.
And that that whole thing had some kind of hermetic meaning that, you know, isn't just maybe a literal reincarnation or something.
But that's how the story goes of how the nine first appear as basically this guy, Vinod.
But mostly Vinod.
And we have this notebook that he wrote everything in.
It's, it's really, I mean, maybe I'm sure you might know somebody who could look at this.
I mean, I, I'm just making the film.
I mean, I, I'm very.
Well, we should see if any of it checks with actual science or math or.
It's crazy.
They would say the nine, they would say, you know, okay, look, you're contacting us through a psychic.
But if you want a clearer feed of a clearer transmission, you have to put the psychic in a Faraday cage.
And on top of that, you should tweak the Faraday cage and build it this way and use this type of metal and use this.
They were, they were telling him and constructing him how to like build the Faraday cage in a specific way that would like help this transmission.
And it did because you can hear the tapes.
It was a lot, it was very like stalled speech and waiting.
And then when they did the Faraday cage sessions, it was like, just boom, they would talk.
And Phyllis Schlamer, who later wrote the only planet of choice, which channels the nine.
You know, 11 o'clock, you know, tonight and they'd go out and they would see an orb.
Whoa.
There's some, seems like there's some sort of correlation there. The connection Lavenda makes is that all these people conducting the seance, bringing in these nine, maybe extraterrestrial beings, maybe beings that go to the
nine Egyptian, uh, gods or whatever. We don't exactly know what these nine beings are, but it's like a council. And, and later the nine praise plays prominently because this channel or Phyllis Schlamer, uh, like gets all these messages from the nine along with a lot of the kids and stuff.
No missed calls.
But basically, she told me a story that she was working at Intellectron the day JFK was
assassinated and that these men in suits, she says, came into the offices, went into Puharic's
Again, almost everyone that was involved at the round table was back in this intellectron situation with him.
And so that I think the connection, I mean, I don't want to just jump to conclusions, but I think what I've often thought with this JFK thing and why to Melanie his assistant seemed like such a big deal is that it may have had some tie in with a mind control, sort of like a Sirhan Sirhan situation with Lee Harvey Oz.
So it's very mysterious decade.
And it was just, it just so happened to be when he had this company in Electron.
And that was like the only thing I could find.
And even in that it was nothing revealing.
He himself has gone deep on his father's death.
I think he was 14 at the time.
That's at least a big part of it.
Some of them being chip implantations done basically for MKUltra purposes.
He did bend a spoon for us when we did the interview and I don't know how he did it.
yariv who was i think the head of army intelligence very you can look him up i mean he was constantly
re can should we uh give this information to yariv always referring to him and other people
this idea of nine extraterrestrial beings or what do you think that is is he is he calling in something
that exists in reality these nine you know entities or is he creating those entities synthetically
instance where geller allegedly uh teleported so he was walking down the street in new york city
1973 i think he claims he's walking down the street in new york city gets a weird feeling right all of a
manipulation so you know he he was doing it and i think a lot of the geller stuff was just like okay
we need a guinea pig here to to see if some of these wild ideas work you know so wild i think there's a
story too that geller tells around him meeting warner von braun and warner von braun taking him to a safe
that contained some ufo artifacts maybe from roswell yeah well warner von braun again was um
somebody close to buharic in the 60s specifically really yeah his assistant the same one i told you
about who made the jfk comment said yeah he he talked to him you know all the time why so that was
yet another person who was just kind of part of his you know rolodex but yeah i think geller said
something to the effect of yeah he showed him um some photographs of um of yeah something from roswell
or revealed or facts to him and i think he showed him material and i think he felt like he had a
they would do these sessions and gene roddenberry went up a lot and he makes mention on this one tape
recording that like you know he says like like i've said many times in the past which would indicate that
called vanod just like the early nine channeler so there's no question like that that's connected
and they actually wrote uh i have it and um i don't know what will ever come of it it's a it's a long
i can produce in your mind the image of of um an alien experience um his assistant what at the time
was a woman who was on this this tape that dick russell recorded i told you about
mm-hmm when puhart was in the hospital there's a part of the tape where dick russell goes outside i
think they're having a smoke or something and he's and he's just kind of like hey look you know give
it to me straight like what's going on with this guy and she she opens up too and she says yeah he
told me about things he's done that he he he's worried for his life about saying she says he um
using flashing lights using all tone all of that stuff was able to create the the the ufo experience
that that stuff was all created she says so what she was opening up about that on this tape and so so
he would like stage ufo is showing up as well i think what she's i think what she was getting at
at the house and puharic has this like weird legal pad that he wrote like very soon before this this
incident occurred where he he fell on the stairs where he's basically like outlining why he thinks he's
uh department basically again he writes this i've i found some evidence to to prove that this this
mexico after his house was burned uh they were they met in mexico in in less than a month after puhar
is was uh found dead grinberg disappeared so again what do you say it's all coincidence and you move on or
kind of cultish i mean if you want to look at it that way in the sense that like
other than the space because there's just all sorts of sarfati jack sarfati being one of them
these sort of you know it could have been control people or i mean i think like he's open about that
being a possibility as far as he is yeah but i just remember him bringing up that name and in in
you have you speculated on the connection between townsend brown and puharic nothing more than just
they were probably interested in similar yeah similar things and and but it's odd because he said it was in dc
like that time you have telegraphs that i think um or telegrams that uh his daughter um i think has
uh i i know this i think through um this amazing researcher on townsend brown named jan lundquist
a while i mean if yeah if anybody was kind of running the government behind the government it was dulles so
yeah d um yeah some of the wilder testimony yeah the space space kids yeah so yeah they so they just
the re the reason i'd love to be cynical about it but like the nuclear stuff has been going on since
where like i'm going to play this certain tone and can you kind of like connect with that tone while
you're in this hypnotic state and can you follow that tone where is it bringing you and what do you hear
with this again this this theory of tone sound connecting the universe this is how everything
works and so him and puharic were um exchanging a lot of letters about like you know do you have
that what was happening was genuine and i think they want to remember the time they had there as a
had nothing to do with like intelligent or maybe it did but it had nothing to do with intelligence or
anything it was it was some sort of um uh program to i can't remember it was sort of like a snap
the head of uh army something or other and then he went on to become the president of like west
virginia university but he was a part of all these like weird science um uh companies and weird energy
that she in effect had to pass on to like important scientists she predicted the failure of one of these
rocket launches in the late 70s that actually did occur which i don't i don't know you have to look
i don't remember but it was some program that she like ran in dc and as part of the nixon administration
which again was not like involved in an intelligence thing but that was her like in with
the psychological kind of you know um you know neuroscientific dimension of of this whole thing
and i'm like oh my this is crazy right so in the interview it's really bizarre she tells us really
weird and the thing is it checks out of what we know from her and most of the information is from the
and all this stuff that we know about is you know late 76 and 77 70. so that's her like origin story
if they're you know it's a big puzzle that we're putting together this is a huge piece that i think is
missing for a lot of people you know prior to your movie so i really hope uh people go check it out i
think it's going to be you know make make a lot of waves and update a lot of people's understanding of
this whole topic and i loved it i thought it was really well made um how can people go find it uh
well it's going to be for purchase um on you know itunes and youtube and that kind of thing
yeah we're going to do kind of like this uh release now with um age of disclosure okay we're going to
do like a you know you can purchase it for a certain amount of bundle situation yeah okay cool but there's
some interest in in um some streaming stuff so and any anything big that uh i didn't touch on that i
should have honestly like yeah probably but i mean you're you've got your gift that keeps on giving
that's crazy oh oh um the one thing i was going to mention is um this is again an example of something
like very recently like bobby ray inman yeah i know a lot of people are talking about right now i called
pieces together about the history of all this stuff and i think the fact that it's coming out now is
interesting because of all this you know this resurgence of interest in it but um i know what you