Kissinger was part of this program.
Really?
Like, he was always getting sort of like, we have letters from like, CIA and stuff back then, who were kind of going to him with questions and so forth.
McCullough.
Everyone. Army, Navy, CIA, something called the something armor foundation that was somehow tied into the army.
And, you know, what's the book?
And so, Buharic was, you know, he was amidst this backdrop.
He was, he was sort of on his, on his come up, which, you know, maybe isn't a coincidence.
around exotic electromagnetic wavelengths that can cause, you know, thoughts to be implanted
in people and stuff, which is nuts.
So, yeah, it's a lot of the sort of usual, I guess, channeling talk where there's this idea that there's been this surveillance of Earth.
And that they've been monitoring Earth and they've been seeing the negative things happening.
So more information, clearer.
Yeah.
So the copper thing is strange.
And he, and Puharic obsessed over that.
This would have been, you know, early fifties again.
Yeah.
So they're living with Ruth Payne in this house in Texas.
She gets him the job at the Texas School Book Depository.
She's from Hawaii.
Very nice woman.
But she was very specific to say, I remember this happening.
It was very strange.
But to finish the nine thing, basically, the roundtable ends in 57, I think, right?
Like, so yours is the implication of this story that this company had something to do with the assassination of JFK or like, were these men in tweed suits raiding the office, the CIA?
And were they, they thinking that intellectron had something to do with this or?
And it sounds like in classic intelligence world front sort of stuff.
Well, I'll get to that.
Yeah.
That's really, really trippy.
And, um, so I, you know, I, I think these things are going to start to come out that, uh, MK ultra was far more pervasive than, than we ever realized.
And there's even a book called, I don't know if you know about this book, the controllers by Martin Cannon.
Yeah. Yeah. He mentions, uh, Buharich in that.
So let's do this book is insane.
What, what's the, what's the thesis of this book?
Uh, as you know, a lot of the guests I sit down with, whether they're physicists, intelligence officers, people who've worked inside black programs are operating at a really impressive level mentally.
Sometimes I feel like I'm a chimp talking to human beings.
Often their work takes a toll and a lot of them track their health obsessively.
Regular lab work, obscure biomarkers, often things that most people never look at.
Meanwhile, last time I went to a primary care doctor, they ran maybe like eight biomarkers and they told me I was fine and sent me home.
This massive difference between the ordinary broken and limited healthcare system and what elite people are doing to track their health.
And so you could be again in, you could clearly see them doing this.
And this was very short, a short distance.
I must say again, like I'm, this is not my forte.
Sure, sure, sure.
And I went, oh, okay. Well, there's a mental disconnect there that that's not supposed to be happening. This is not, this is not possible.
Yeah. Do you think that it was kind of a development from, um, you know, what you were looking into with Puhar?
I'm in, I'm interested in psychic phenomena.
I want to study him.
Have you found any connections between him?
Uh, yeah.
i'm still thinking okay what what was really going on there you know fascinating man what what do you
think when when he goes to israel initially to see geller in 1971 and he geller's kind of channeling
it's it's fascinating he also he isolates specific um extra low frequency waves yeah that he thinks are
particularly powerful as far as implanting thoughts is that right yeah there's uh and again this was
he believed it and puhart kind of substantiated oh yeah you know we saw it land and we saw you walk on
it and what but then it always goes to that question like why again you could just say oh well they
of a walmart is the the line he always says it's sort of this crazy iconic line you know and um and uh
he ends up nine being transported nine miles um away from the base uh like behind a dam and it's
his son again very emotionally says like that was the moment i said okay like i i believe in in this
stuff and and i believe in and in things my dad did and he just had a very emotional reaction uh to
right you know who knows but you know puhart was a master mason he was yeah interesting and um he
tells a story uh in a lecture much later in his life about how he was always approached by
roddenberry at the time was going through a lot with like i guess he was like drinking a lot and i don't
mentions being pretty sure that uh buharic had slipped him the mushrooms so you know
there's that i mean i i don't think he's he's making that up no i think it was like all these
years later i think he wanted to come clean or sure about about like what he really experiences the
vibe that i got from he's a wild character he has a very flamboyant online personality he'll often make
these videos directed at world leaders so yeah trump don't push that button or putin stand down
yeah whatever you know i know what's going to happen and he'll like predict the wild things happening and
um well he was doing that in the 70s he was like like again these this this idea that you could use
this directed thought to to change somebody's uh uh opinion or change somebody's uh direction or
and then he talks a lot about doing that back then um i have a friend who worked at the princeton
parapsychology lab and whenever i try to throw the kitchen sink of skepticism around like he's just a
um through all these people i've talked to and stuff who were like yeah he he had something you know
whatever star wars this and that and you say hey you know do you want to be a part of an experiment
where you can communicate with these you know these beings and you know i can put you in it's safe and
you know telling them they've been abducted by aliens and taken aboard a ship when they haven't or
quote unquote teleporting them and throwing them through a window and you know like these things
the doc is really good but there's like actually you know legitimate proof that like he he was
sort of taken by by the government so that's what your friend who made the movie thinks
in the world like he's he's a real physicist he studied under hans bett uh you know at cornell and
stuff yeah and um he uh says he gets a call from the future and then and then you know they tell him
intelligence and one of the people that he knew through a family member that was connected was this
guy wilson green he brings up this guy wilson green and that uh guy wilson green was working with
some sort of cult dynamics around it wiping people's memories when they work on really sensitive
shit like who knows and townsend brown to me obviously i'm very high conviction in his stuff
comes to intelligence and there's a telegram from um him to josephine who's townsend brown's wife
she got up and she went over to him and she touched his forehead with her finger and when she did that
she was like this big uh blue ball i guess this like ball of energy as he describes it appeared
been occurring and and and what what what do you do with that because something i learned which was
the air force archives uh lincoln la paz this meteorite expert uh at university of new mexico is
talking about green fireballs that seem intelligently propulsed flashing that like aren't explained by
anything prosaic and just like the nuclear connection is so ubiquitous and then you're
telling me the atomic energy commission gave him money they gave him like over a million dollars yeah
so like if i were them i'd be like try to tap into what the hell is you know controlling yeah dude this
is a crazy rabbit hole yeah obviously uh um what was i going to say you know you're see now you're now
you're entering what i've been in for like years of this constant like wait a second now i think this
because um there there was a lot of uh well you know the the classic thing where like with disinfor
ufo disinformation they often say like some of it you know some real stuff is sort of peppered into
yeah absolutely i think it was that kind of thing too where like maybe there was real you know et ufo
know president during the 60s 70s like there was a tape of him saying like i met valerie ranson in the
white house um she believed she was in touch with extraterrestrials and he kind of makes a joke like
she was extremely mysterious we have no idea what was going on with her um so they remember seeing her
her yes and you're gonna try to interview yes that's amazing yeah well i hope you do man that would be
incredible yeah i mean there's a lot to get in with into with her but that's that's the gist of
information he was always working with her there's pictures of her and she just disappeared and
everyone who knew her back then was like you know it would be amazing if you found her because she