I think he was probably like, you know, in his 70s or 80s or something.
And starting in, I think, 63, basically she worked with him, I think until like the mid-80s.
went to to to investigate geller but you know he was even through the 80s like well after him and
much later like late 70s 80s he was very involved in that but i figured out like once again like this
encounters for instance um in the late 80s uh buharic lived in north carolina and he uh there's a story
strange so strange yeah and early 80s yeah this is crazy it's so it's like there's a woman in the
who hart is doing a lot of space kids stuff like late 70s into the early 80s and a lot of elf stuff
going into um the early 80s as well but anyways he didn't that's what harold malmgren always said