I guess you could start it at Northwestern University.
But again, I think it was more like looking at certain institutions, certain places for people who are special.
And he was considered special at that time for what he was doing.
And there's a guy also at Northwestern at the time named Warren S. McCullough.
He's like, you know, the Puharich on steroids, sort of, back then at least.
So, he was at Northwestern, this guy McCullough.
And he was older, like much older than Puharich at that time.
Well, it was all, you know, government funded at that time.
And so, you know, he talks a lot about like, they were just obsessed at that time with like, what if this were real?
If you look, if you're looking at it from a like research, when did this start?
I mean, even all the time we spent on the film, it's, I still haven't looked at it at all, but they basically detail the experiments going on, which were, you know, your classic ESP stuff, you know, like the cards, all that.
So who is he recruiting to do these experiments and what sort of experiments is he running at the Roundtable Foundation?
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So who is he recruiting to do these experiments, and what sort of experiments is he running at the Roundtable Foundation?
And so he was hanging out at the Roundtable Foundation, too.
The premise is basically, you know, and this was also the research he was doing at the Roundtable, was, you know, taking a certain type of mushroom.
It's the kind of archetypal, you know, emoji on all of our, you know, cell phones or iPhones, at least.
But at the time, it was like, you know, controversial because basically people just didn't believe in what he was writing.
And that, I think, kind of kick-started the, you know, way people looked at Buharic as being, you know, kind of like a kook.
Clearly, but he was, he also was amongst, he was kind of a pioneer and had a few peers who were also at the forefront of their fields.
And he was on a tour at the time in the United States going to like rotary clubs and dinner parties,
He was a professor at a university in Bombay.
Because at the time, Dick Russell was wanting to write like a definitive book about MK Ultra.
He literally told me to show it up at his house and said, hey, you know, yes or no, will you let me interview you?
It's, it's really, I mean, maybe I'm sure you might know somebody who could look at this.
One thing that they were doing at the round table, uh, were, was that this psychic, uh, this one particular psychic would, would claim that at a certain time of night, uh, they would see an orb.
To make a long story short, there's a seance that's held in, uh, late 52, early 53. I think it was the New Year's Eve of 52 to 53. And there are nine people involved in the seance. Now, these are not just some casual nine people you pick up, like, you know, your neighbors or something, right? This was a DuPont and an Astor and a Forbes. I mean, everybody that represents the, the blue blooded Brahmins of American society, old money people, were at a seance, a free
And Lee Harvey Oswald is living with Ruth Payne. And I think gets a job at the Texas Book Depository
She gets him the job at the Texas School Book Depository.
And so like, and I know Pooverich would stop at airports and meditate because he thought he would
She was a student at NYU.
But she started as sort of an intern at this company, Intellectron, which was basically a biomedical
But basically, she told me a story that she was working at Intellectron the day JFK was
And the idea that they were that sophisticated at the very start of MKUltra where they could convince these sort of elite members of society that they were in touch with these specific extraterrestrial beings.
He tells his family that basically he just got this contract to study basically more of what was going on at the round table foundation.
He gets a grant for $300,000, which at the time would have been like at least a million dollars or more from the Atomic Energy Commission, which is strange.
And all this stuff and all this state of the art at the time, electronic equipment.
Again, almost everyone that was involved at the round table was back in this intellectron situation with him.
I haven't looked, but I just think, you know, if you want to go there, it's like, like Lavenda says the whole connection there at the round table.
And then this weird incident where they seem to make a big deal about telling him about the assassination at that exact time, that exact year, they're researching ways to, to be able to send messages to someone's mind to do something specific, Manchurian candidate, et cetera, et cetera.
Apparently Dulles did not want the fact that Ruth Payne had actually been at the summer house or whatever.
I think that summer, right before JFK was assassinated, he, she did not want, you know, that at all on record.
Well, the other really strange thing at this time, um, was that Pujaric was working with someone named Jose Delgado, who he probably might know who that is.
Which were done. I believe at the science and engineering Institute, um, in the Northeast as well.
And I think that was going on at Intellectron.
And in his archives at, uh, Berkeley, there was like a couple documents that had, you know, in Electron letterhead and it was like correspondence.
I think he was 14 at the time.
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That's at least a big part of it.
And, you know, it's kind of like a situation where if you're exposed to this frequency, it's at a certain wavelength that only you can hear and anyone else around you can't hear.
We gave a demonstration at the Pentagon.
It was basically a radio receiver that would be, I guess at one point it was Puharich kind of says it as though you could slip on some sort of thing.
So you can imagine if the research continued, at what length can this go?
I think there's a story with Puharich where some guy works at a metal mill or something.
So they, they bring him in, they get to know him and he says, okay, I work at this metal factory where I guess it basically is a grinding metal pieces and this kind of thing.
u.s um mind can you know mind control program that was happening at aberdeen proving grounds
there's a lot of other sessions he did where it was like not like that at all the complete opposite
you know not leading at all and the nine would still come through yeah so that's interesting yeah
proven proven at that time i mean this is like pre havana syndrome stuff and so coincidentally you know
at intellectron they're doing a lot of that same stuff i do firmly believe that that geller was some sort of
back to this mk ultra the you know lsd you know giving lsd to unwitting people like at a certain point
named mario woods um who is uh at ellsworth air force base in 1977 in south dakota and he was a missile
sort of like b2 bomber was like kind of winking at him in the distance he and his um uh you know um
and so he you know but he was famous at that time anyways so he leaves buharic is you know trying to
like funny video where he interviewed like all the people who were there at this family gathering and
gordon cooper i mean didn't he have some ufo uh stories or experiences or at least he was open to
back then these prominent people at the time we're now in mid-70s would come there spend time there and
roddenberry at the time was going through a lot with like i guess he was like drinking a lot and i don't
lot at that time and he was always tape recording their conversations like him and bentoff would sit
bentoff was one of a number of um scientists who were being tracked at you know puhart's house burned
he's very clear like you know at that period like i was i was uh concerned about what was going on he
these videos directed at world leaders so yeah trump don't push that button or putin stand down
and then he talks a lot about doing that back then um i have a friend who worked at the princeton
they even have like a uh some papers where they studied him at princeton and yeah i think it's
can you perform at every instance someone asks you i mean no i'm not a i mean i i don't i don't
and there's a ton of newspaper articles at this time which again like okay it could have all been a hoax
maybe 18 youngest but they would see him at a at a lecture and they would they would approach him and
so at that point he thought okay there's enough there's enough stories and enough of these kids
vanod roundtable stuff like a lot of conspiracy stuff pops up at this moment too because of the general
nature of kids showing up at the house of a you know known intelligence uh connected scientists etc and
than like can you help me figure out what's going on after after you've looked at this for 10 plus years
at this time and this is um we're talking 74 when this started 73 74 and keep in mind this is right
um so i don't know i wasn't there at the interview someone else did it i mean he it was great he did
targ at ossining sitting on the front steps so my theory is that and people have talked about this
just had these sort of like front companies which i just think it's obvious you know so at this time
a lot of the tapes are remote viewing there's no other way to look at it it's okay what's going on in this location
uh what time is this uh such and such general going to be at this place uh when should we go here and
20 year old and say hey you know especially at the time with erie geller being famous you know
it was like one of those many phone calls we had and i always stuck with me so i think that at that
time again you've got same years remote viewing experiments are starting at sri you've got the
do what i did essentially is what he he his message is if you look at the zimbardo prison experiments at
of the cia at the time i'm sure you could get coerced into doing all sorts of things and does that fully
lot of speculation but at the end of the day like those people don't haven't seen the materials
where it would be like you know two people at puharic and two other people him and three other people
that period in fact one of the guys working with buharic at that time john whitmore he was a british guy
these countries at this time yet puharic with his psychic where we're going constantly because the
nine said you have to go here you have to go there and so he kind of hints at like well what was that
at this time you know under the auspices that this was a psychic you know this was the nine
like the more you listen to those tapes at that time and the more you just kind of put things together
stairway right for this window where my father allegedly fell down and they found him right at the
well so there's a couple of things he he was sick at the time um but not i believe not enough that
his life like he was doing these sort of lecture tours at sort of parapsychology conferences and
stuff and he was being very open about his past and and it was one of these lectures at that time
i was a consultant at the time and so he opens up about a lot of that stuff he he literally says uh
i can produce in your mind the image of of um an alien experience um his assistant what at the time
he would like stage ufo is showing up as well i think what she's i think what she was getting at
less than a year before he died but um he he was found uh at the bottom of the stairs he fell
and he he passed away and at the time he had all these um he was still and again this goes back to
but but conveniently that day they no one else was there at the house uh when they were usually always
at the house and puharic has this like weird legal pad that he wrote like very soon before this this
the day he's found you know there's no one at the house and um right not right before that but a few
it was all bunk um so and keep in mind buharach at that time was lecturing about all of that and being
fact in one of his journals he like wrote all the names of the kids at the time so it's pretty easy
they basically talked a lot about like what it was like being at his house at that time which again was
kind of cultish i mean if you want to look at it that way in the sense that like
in the world like he's he's a real physicist he studied under hans bett uh you know at cornell and
buharic in the 50s um at the round table doing everything they were doing there whoa yeah so do
claude shannon who invented information theory was at princeton information theory is the basis of all
uh a professor there named robert brown it then ends up at moonwatch at harvard which is connected with
you know you know vector and maybe if all of this stuff is being coordinated at a higher level than we
you know nuts and bull like they all kind of materials they all kind of connect at the at the top
see like his his his assistant at one point kind of mentions this idea that like not not um not long
but um he told me a story about he um he was met at one time he was doing an experiment with
uh together and she they were sitting in a room together both meditating and he says that at one point
of the nine at face value how would you characterize these nine beings in what they want for humanity
the air force archives uh lincoln la paz this meteorite expert uh at university of new mexico is
riser he was a um philosophy professor at university of pittsburgh in the 60s and 70s um
now all sorts of stuff like that um so i guess what i'm getting at is maybe there was some real
the ability to to create such and such a tone and what at what speed should it spin within the you know
of this stuff hastings documents it it's it was definitely a thing 64 there's a famous case at
it's not just like all of that was fake yeah yeah i just think it got muddled at some point yeah and
now i'm back in the in the more cynical camp where it's well they said at one point he said um that you
know the referring to the channel being the person you know at some point they will become a more reliable
other end like a lot of them probably know the history that you know at this point well that's
who was who was most certainly cia who was at the at austin at the time of these exact space kids
to maybe think at least okay something else was going on what was it you know we don't we don't know for
like she claimed to be able to like channel information and so she somehow wound up at puharic's
occasions at you know inside the white house you can look it up i i can look it up too i i i'm sorry
so trippy yeah and there's a guy a kit green he um i mean i don't even care anymore at this point
have in the puharach archives of her at lab nine um and you know yeah she was very good looking so that
had this ufo experience at this time in this location so she's shocked right so then she says
so that's a rabbit hole in and of itself but but basically yeah she spent like a good amount of time at lab
the middle of that and um you know there was a lot of people running around researching that at the
those are the two working at that time um with the space kids and he was like no i've never heard
naval intelligence at one point uh was like a big funder of buharic not not only back in the 50s but
fact there was a um scientist working with buharic at the this time elizabeth rausher she passed away but
to find dog she has a huge archive at berkeley of all of her research and i i had someone go there and
at the same time i believe yeah something like that um oh the other thing yeah the last thing i'll say