Because at the time, Dick Russell was wanting to write like a definitive book about MK Ultra.
But Sidney Gottlieb was known as the kind of U.S. version of Joseph Mengele, a poisoner in chief, an architect of MK Ultra from the technical staff services.
And then to further kind of steel man, there may be being a, a there, there, we know that Jack Ruby was an MK, ultra patient.
architect of MK ultra, you know, and, and Jolly West was, you know, UCLA psychiatry, but clearly very involved in operation midnight climax and maybe brainwashed Charles Manson.
And that clearly was the heir to MK ultra, which was mostly sodium pentothal LSD, that sort of thing is chemical based.
And if, if, if, if in the early sixties, we had chips that could control animals and you had heirs to MK ultra, like MK often.
Well, it's, I mean, now I feel like it's one of these things that's slowly shifting, you know, and I think more and more people are going to start to recognize the fact that MK ultra had a role, not only in the JFK assassination, but in the RFK assassination, you mentioned Sirhan Sirhan.
I think he thinks that, you know, MK ultra was involved.
And, um, so I, you know, I, I think these things are going to start to come out that, uh, MK ultra was far more pervasive than, than we ever realized.
and mk ultra and all these things so it's like what believer master manipulator i mean i i usually
back to this mk ultra the you know lsd you know giving lsd to unwitting people like at a certain point
it does again the mk ultra thing just explain everything which is like such a dark version of the
truth but it's possible we have to entertain that yeah or is mk ultra actually converging on a technique
want to believe that mk ultra is responsible for everything and all of this stuff because there's a
that moment so it's stories like that where i go okay well you know what bulharic isn't running some mk
a perceptual prism or container and i'm sure with his hypnotic techniques and with mk ultra and with
and danny on the phone with me is like dude i'm not sure that the early astronauts weren't mk ultra
my you know and if i didn't know puharj and you weren't of on braun you have one of the mk ultra
of the et phenomena or was it just all mk ultra you know and again i don't think it was all mk ultra
like well what does that have to do with you know mk ultra so i just think like and again this goes to like his death in the mystery book
von braun and brown's ideas somehow seeded by like mk ultra adjacent things like probably not because you
the main use cases of mk ultra it would be like keeping secret science sort of on lock maybe creating