So he gets this called metallic voice. That was some sort of alien intelligence.
So I just can't wait to dive into this.
So give me a little bit about the origin story for Andrea Puharic.
And so he was there doing all sorts of stuff with the nervous system.
It's this special program where basically they recruit students who they believe could be useful to whatever they're planning on doing in certain categories of the Army, whether it be medical, so forth.
So he was part of that.
So for whatever reason, he didn't talk about it.
Okay, so he's in the Chicago suburbs and he's a medical student.
So, he was, yeah, a medical student.
So, he was at Northwestern, this guy McCullough.
Like, he was always getting sort of like, we have letters from like, CIA and stuff back then, who were kind of going to him with questions and so forth.
So, you know, he passed on.
So he became almost like obsessed with it.
We lived in a big 50 room house on the seashore, which was a lab and residence and so on.
And so he opens the Roundtable Foundation.
So there's a lot going on with how that even opened because it's a huge lab.
So, you know, it's this huge place.
And so, you know, he talks a lot about like, they were just obsessed at that time with like, what if this were real?
Because we have like all of the round table research, which is so much.
And so, yeah, I think they were, they, you know, intelligence community, so forth, were just very intrigued with what was going on there.
So it's a combination of kind of, you know, these military factions and then these kind of blue blooded elites.
So who is he recruiting to do these experiments and what sort of experiments is he running at the Roundtable Foundation?
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So who is he recruiting to do these experiments, and what sort of experiments is he running at the Roundtable Foundation?
So, again, it started with a lot of just basic ESP stuff.
And so he was hanging out at the Roundtable Foundation, too.
And so the actual transubstantiation involved this, like, mushroom.
And so I assume that must have, because I think the name of his book is similar.
So was there maybe some influence there with Buharic?
And so, Buharic was, you know, he was amidst this backdrop.
It's so alien to our thinking, we can't even comprehend it.
So the interesting thing about this guy, Dr. Vinod was his name.
So this was something I learned like way later into the process of the film.
And so Vinod, like I only really discovered a couple years into it, but he was an interesting guy.
So that begins this like, okay, what's really going on here?
But basically, so what did the nine say?
And so, again, it's really, it's a lot.
So I have to give a shout out to Dick Russell.
So he's awesome.
And so he was friends with this woman, Marianne Shenefield, this, you know, allegedly amazing
And so he has that.
So that this was part of that research he was doing for a book.
So that's wild that Russell spent a whole day with him.
So what are the nine saying?
So, yeah, it's a lot of the sort of usual, I guess, channeling talk where there's this idea that there's been this surveillance of Earth.
So I heard that and I was like, okay, well that that's weird.
So they were basically like following instructions from the nine.
So more information, clearer.
And so you would, you would need some sort of like bracelet or something that would kind of like constantly be touching your skin in order again, for like the, the transmission to be better.
So the copper thing is strange.
And I just thought that was interesting because of there's, there's so much talk of this orb stuff going on.
So trippy. Yeah. No, that, uh, almost sounds like Chris Bledsoe or something.
Yeah. But, but that, that all of the people in this original seance with these blue blooded elites are also entangled with the JFK assassination, which is so crazy.
freaking seance, right? In the woods, in Maine on New Year's Eve with Andrea Paharic. And one of them, uh, is the guy who was the inventor of the bell helicopter. Right. So.
Is that Arthur Young? Arthur Young. So Arthur Young is there with his wife. His wife is Ruth Forbes Payne Young. Right. She had a lot of names. She was excessively nomenclatured. And so you have, you know, Ruth Forbes Payne Young. She's a Forbes.
So in that seance with the, you know, these kind of blue blooded elites that prove her itches convening,
And so she's a Forbes first. So again, going to the blue blooded elite thing.
So they're living with Ruth Payne in this house in Texas.
And so it's these weird entanglements where, and the nine believed themselves to be sort of agents,
And so like, and I know Pooverich would stop at airports and meditate because he thought he would
And so I wonder sometimes, was it all good or was it bad? I mean, I don't think, you know,
So it's a strange story.
But so the nine stopped, allegedly.
Like a lot of people I talk to who are interested in this stuff and know about the film and so forth.
And so it was really just like, okay, here's the transcripts.
Like, so yours is the implication of this story that this company had something to do with the assassination of JFK or like, were these men in tweed suits raiding the office, the CIA?
So, so, so Puharich, yeah, he leaves the round table, he moves to New York city or he moves to Ossining.
So it's a very, you know, wealthy area.
So they moved there.
But so they moved to New York.
And so he starts this thing, Intellectron, which is basically labeled as a biomedical research company.
So they have an office in Hell's Kitchen.
And so that I think the connection, I mean, I don't want to just jump to conclusions, but I think what I've often thought with this JFK thing and why to Melanie his assistant seemed like such a big deal is that it may have had some tie in with a mind control, sort of like a Sirhan Sirhan situation with Lee Harvey Oz.
Um, so very, very strange, you know, possible connections.
So, yeah, if you think, okay, they're putting an implant in the head of a bull, like you say, basically remote controlling the thing.
I don't have a document that says here's the experiment we did, but, um, that whole decade of the sixties was such a, a, a, a odd decade for Buharachi was so like quiet.
So it's very mysterious decade.
And it was just, it just so happened to be when he had this company in Electron.
So, which, which again, didn't point to anything.
You know, so, so there's just, this place did not exist.
It's so crazy.
So there was this other gunman again, just like JFK.
And, um, so I, you know, I, I think these things are going to start to come out that, uh, MK ultra was far more pervasive than, than we ever realized.
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And so how exactly did it work?
And so you could be again in, you could clearly see them doing this.
So you can imagine if the research continued, at what length can this go?
So that's what they were experimenting with.
But so the first part of it was the tooth where you could send the message to the tooth implant, hear it in the head.
And so he would like de facto be able to hear his own playing without actually kind of, you know, hearing it through his ear canal.
So that is a thing.
So, you know, can you check him out?
So they, they bring him in, they get to know him and he says, okay, I work at this metal factory where I guess it basically is a grinding metal pieces and this kind of thing.
The Genesis of it was in 1947. We came in contact with an alien species and in 1960, they started a, a project. It was called project preserve destiny. And, um, it was designed to genetically manage fetuses, human fetuses, so that they would have the heightened ability to do this particular thing that I was going to school for.
You know, he was always talking about sine waves. And so I just, I can't imagine that that wasn't some sort of early interpretation of, of what, what he was talking about.
really grapple with like that a lot because I knew what I was hearing and, and sort of not so much researching is a lot of stuff we got were like tapes of these experiments.
So it's not just like, I'm reading a report, you're hearing it. So I'm hearing, you know, these channeling sessions, I'm hearing these experiments.
He's doing an electron and, you know, you can just tell something's going on, something strange. And so you're right.
Um, but. How so?
Explain that story. That's fascinating. Well, he, um, so basically Puharich, uh, in the six years, we had Intellectron.
Of course we learned he was using it with the space kids years later that nobody knew about that, but, um, so he's the, he's coming off the tail end of all the in Electron stuff. Right. Right. When he meets Geller, like literally it was 1970 is when he first hears about Geller goes to Israel.
And Intellectron is still happening then. I mean, from what I understand, like it was still very much, you know, an operating company. So he's going to Israel to meet Uri Geller while he's still very much involved in the research of essentially sending messages to people.
And he gets to Israel. He discovers Uri Geller. I mean, I think a lot of people know this story, but you know, Geller was, was allegedly this very, uh, amazing psychic guy who could bend, bend spoons with his mind and read people's minds and do all sorts of things like that. He could like, uh, hover his hand over a watch and the, and it would, uh, the hands would move and, and all these kinds of things. And so.
So that's all I can say. It could have been a trick.
So all I can say is like, yeah, it could have been a trick.
And he did do it, but, um, he, so Buharic, you know, again, the story goes, Buharic was kind of smitten with, with Geller and oh my God, this guy's, you know, an amazing psychic.
So he brings him back.
And so Buharic is, you know, shot up, apparently shocked.
And so one could assume that Uri Geller was a, you know, experiment in that way when the nine just so happened to reappear all those years later.
And so I had always just stuck to me like, okay, is this a joke?
um well he so we did tons of like foia uh requests trying to trying to find stuff on him
he's going there to see geller so that that there's that and then um multiple people who knew him
of it it's either true or for some reason he's making it up i don't know why it's fascinating so so
um high up there so a lot of red flags nothing again no concrete you know document or something
stories right so when he went to israel for the first time in some lecture uh we have he said oh you
know there was this parapsychology foundation and they wanted me to go so they scraped some money
know bought me a ticket this foundation so you know again a little thought in my mind where i'm like
so yeah it all did come from from uh hypnosis that was the protocol it was a very you know your typical
and oh actually yeah you're right it is and that kind of thing but what's so confusing is there's
you know not leading at all and the nine would still come through yeah so that's interesting yeah
and mk ultra and all these things so it's like what believer master manipulator i mean i i usually
aliens reverse engineer like so many things um but then you you get into like the facts and the
submarine experiments so that he believed was like the frequency that could carry you know audio information to
proven proven at that time i mean this is like pre havana syndrome stuff and so coincidentally you know
instance where geller allegedly uh teleported so he was walking down the street in new york city
it's it's proof so you know he's he's doing that but i i that was just one instance of me thinking
manipulation so you know he he was doing it and i think a lot of the geller stuff was just like okay
we need a guinea pig here to to see if some of these wild ideas work you know so wild i think there's a
about who made the jfk comment said yeah he he talked to him you know all the time why so that was
here and he goes how did you know so you know something it's so interesting the other thing too
associated with this but this was um so so post geller right so so geller uh lee basically they they
and so he you know but he was famous at that time anyways so he leaves buharic is you know trying to
find another subject to bring through the nine he claims so this is even pre phyllis schlemer is right
that this woman phyllis was like a legit psychic you know knowing things about people and so forth
met in the army so this guy discovers a a um a filling he never had he completely freaks out and and
beings your talk they wanted this to happen and they they did this somehow and and so it's very
early 70s so there might be something going on with this this tooth thing and you know again i think
itself over the house and so we have the video buharic's son andy who's an awesome guy he he did this kind of
three of the cousins all saw this huge thing is silently hovered over so while and that and and
that moment so it's stories like that where i go okay well you know what bulharic isn't running some mk
ultra experiment on his family you know decades after now all this stuff so so yeah i don't want to put
new year's eve okay well i mean it was before then because the so the the again i don't want to engage
in any sort of you know selection bias here but july 1952 was when it was the thing showed up and so
every every time i want to get away from like the occult having to do with ufos it's like it's just so
were really they were they had a bunch of stuff saved actually so there's a really amazing like
so and then you have you know this 1933 magenta crash which it seems like is getting increasingly
space odyssey you have you know there is yeah yeah yeah i think i did hear about that yeah yeah and so
after he comes back from the moon and so you have to wonder if there's some sort of like weird
like contract work for all sorts of um different agencies but so this is actually in newspaper
the moon right they didn't know the surface of the moon what it would would be like really so they
uh is it uh spike whatever so he he claims that they sent remote viewers to the moon to get a picture
of like what it would be like uh so they would feel comfortable with like sending whatever you
talk about oh dude gordon cooper was very involved with buharic so yeah so this is one of the this is
seeing experiments with the faraday cage seeing the space kids um yeah why was he so interested i
were so and to really positively identify them but they were metallic looking and saucer in shape so he
was definitely like interested in this stuff and and um yeah so he went up there everyone went up
there i mean the whole gene roddenberry thing is crazy yeah so the creator of star trek yeah so so
called vanod just like the early nine channeler so there's no question like that that's connected
page script about about his experience and it's called the nine so trippy yeah and you have so we
federation yeah and so do you think there's something like more real going on that in in
later so you know there's a lot of clues like that that goes back to that israeli connection and and
all claiming to be to be monitored be followed harassed and so forth um and there was some story
kind of skeptical or distrust you know people who are like they're so sure it's just x or it's just y
makes it so fascinating right it makes you just want to go go deeper and uh yeah um i think that the
helped me he helped me get to the to america um so it's not like he's he hates him or he speak but he
mentions being pretty sure that uh buharic had slipped him the mushrooms so you know
these videos directed at world leaders so yeah trump don't push that button or putin stand down
psychic yeah powers yeah so that's apparently what was happening and so pooharach of course you know
learns this and he's very intrigued so he starts to you know visit some of these cases of kids who
were doing this and um eventually i guess is so uh eventually he's so convinced that that this is real
so at that point he thought okay there's enough there's enough stories and enough of these kids
coming to me that like i should start a research program and so that's when he sort of collects
so forth but um basically he collected them and um just started this camp where they did you know kind
and so buhar said okay kind of like grouped them okay all the all the kids who've had an experience here
you know not and so all the kids that had an experience he would hypnotize them and allegedly the nine would
um so i don't know i wasn't there at the interview someone else did it i mean he it was great he did
targ at ossining sitting on the front steps so my theory is that and people have talked about this
just had these sort of like front companies which i just think it's obvious you know so at this time
approach it that way so that's my theory is that that was sort of his way and one of the space kids
it was like one of those many phone calls we had and i always stuck with me so i think that at that
kids who on the tapes are doing remote viewing so but the qu the question i want to push you on this
mind control stuff but there's some gray area there that is so hard to pin down because
so we can get into that you know so yeah so i think it's there was a way of like okay i need to kind
okay see you set in on a session so now you know what it's like and then when those people aren't
i'm i'm i'm good you know and i so i think that there was a lot of pressure on him to do some of this
and what i wanted to kind of get across with it is there's so much negative conspiracy stuff about
and i think you know you illustrated it well but you know they were even like wow there's so much in
heard before yeah so that just goes to show his own family was in the dark about a lot of it but you
connected he was to intelligence i mean there's there's a paper trail of it so there's just there's
no way to kind of beat around that bush i think again i've just i've read so much online and there's a
that you know we had so so interesting were there any other experiments they were obviously
and so forth but um in that time they're getting messages from the nine saying you know you need to go to
nine said you have to go here you have to go there and so he kind of hints at like well what was that
what it did i never questioned what it did and so you just have to ask like how is it that puharic
high-ranking government people and it's all just oh hey the nine told us to come here so we're here
and um and so a lot of people speculate you know i've heard stories of you know christian missionaries
like it does seem like what if that was that was the cover and oh this guy is so crazy he actually
russian guerrilla soldiers are using so we then know what to pick up on when we hear this code name
so then that begs the question why would an alien why would an alien be like asking those types of
the egyptian god like so you know that's not and there are nine there are specifically nine egyptian
gods so that was something he was like obsessive about he would he we have tape recordings of him
egyptian god and some pretty weird information lined up during that session so then that goes back to
like well what does that have to do with you know mk ultra so i just think like and again this goes to like his death in the mystery book
been wanting to go in there anyways so i'm already here i'm gonna go you know but he's there
well so there's a couple of things he he was sick at the time um but not i believe not enough that
i'll remember it but um basically and so he says yeah that's what i did i was i was uh i was a
i was a consultant at the time and so he opens up about a lot of that stuff he he literally says uh
that that stuff was all created she says so what she was opening up about that on this tape and so so
implanting the the the idea that you've had an encounter or you know you've been abducted or so
and this kind of thing so he and he was a nice guy again so he would want he would let people in and
he would welcome them and so he claimed that there was a people like that who were actually you
so when he would turn on the tv he would get hit by this you know elf that would be and he and he
was a physician he was a medical doctor so he would know what was going on with his own body and he
know weapons and so forth again a lot of that was going on in the late 70s
of things i think he he wasn't necessarily wanting to to do but um so that happened where he refused
that and said you know no you know get the hell out of here etc so all of that stuff was leading up to
is was uh found dead grinberg disappeared so again what do you say it's all coincidence and you move on or
you say there's something so bizarre yeah grinberg the the whole thing about him is like he realized
could possibly do and i couldn't i couldn't find it um so that was weird that's super yeah so it just
sort of taken by by the government so that's what your friend who made the movie thinks
the story like agrees with because everything just points to like that so that happening so so all that
it was all bunk um so and keep in mind buharach at that time was lecturing about all of that and being
honest being open about all the experiments he did with you know stargate so i think um annie jacobson
there talking and he he's experienced too much he knows too much and uh it's not good so i could see
spoke to so basically but the space kids like yeah there there were a lot um and again the reason the
film took so long which you know to give myself credit for because a lot of people are like i can't
believe it took you so long and this and that but a lot of it was like just getting people to talk
but that's what took so long and i always thought like in order to make a really cool
that's what would make this thing work and so i was just like convinced we got to get these these
you know never reach out to me again i want nothing to do with this so what did they say i mean that's
why five is amazing what what did they say well so basically like yeah what i did was i i somehow
fact in one of his journals he like wrote all the names of the kids at the time so it's pretty easy
by david kaiser this mit guy yeah and um so i didn't know he had any interaction with uh uh puharic that's
it's this weird synchronicity you know it's so strange so he's interacting with andre puhar yeah
well you know it's a crazy connection i just thought of um in that story the so the sarfati story
geller claims this as well actually but really yeah so he gets this called metallic voice that was
buharic in the 50s um at the round table doing everything they were doing there whoa yeah so do
would just like hey i met this person for lunch met that person and so yeah wilson green comes to
it's part of the page that's like so worn you can't really like read what it says but it's it's kind
and so if he could do that hopefully he could get us this uh you know this transcript that's crazy so he
met him and this was again i'm positive it was 53 was that that journal so yeah he was going there um
so yeah that's how i found it and it brings up all these questions of like were people like warner
yeah townsend brown and so i wonder i wonder what that meeting was like the time then was weird
he's talking about l ron hubbard and so the point is like it's this weird time where the intersection
outside the overton window like it is today yeah and so yeah anyway how would you speculate on do
so brown was there for whatever reason well brown was probably deep intelligence i mean there's a story of
injured but he's okay and he's on his way back to the us or whatever so i can give you like 50 other
brown says curtis lemay chases townsend brown down the stairs because he's so interested in his
inventions and stuff so this guy was like as deep as it gets when it came to the american intelligence
and military elite um so it makes sense if puha rich was as well on the kind of the psychic
i could give you 50 examples of puharic doing that kind of thing that i've heard and so that yeah and i
needs to take them i don't trust giving them my children for their safety and so i think this is
the waiting room for an hour and finally got in and we had we talked and so obviously you're up to
a while i mean if yeah if anybody was kind of running the government behind the government it was dulles so
yeah d um yeah some of the wilder testimony yeah the space space kids yeah so yeah they so they just
basically recounted a lot of like um what they experienced a lot of the channeling sessions so
because he knows like i did there's just so much like bs stuff out there about puharic and everything
certain elf frequency that would emit from it so when you touch somebody's forehead with this
be in in order to do channeling and so he could basically just like i could go like this to you and
so was this instance with jaime and the finger something to do with that what was it not i don't
this session and then some claim to have witnessed that um there was a few stories like that so that
anything prosaic and just like the nuclear connection is so ubiquitous and then you're
so like if i were them i'd be like try to tap into what the hell is you know controlling yeah dude this
now i don't know enough um so i don't want to go too much into it but there's a guy his name is oliver
through tones through sound and he was like again so complex i can barely understand it but him and
through tones and through sound and so you get puharaj you know doing that basically where he's using
now all sorts of stuff like that um so i guess what i'm getting at is maybe there was some real
works and so him and puharic were um exchanging a lot of letters about like you know do you have
about something serious here you know that's so fascinating so so and then the atomic energy
um so that's that's fascinating yeah very interesting so yeah just points back to this idea that i i
and and tons of them and hundreds of hours so like you just all you can do is piece together
first time so it's a mix between i think to be quite honest i think a lot of them want to believe
that i mean i you know so i think um some of them want to just try to say hey look we were told we
she's the most elusive person in this whole ufo history where i mean so basically what i do know is
like she claimed to be able to like channel information and so she somehow wound up at puharic's
placing her what's what was his role exactly he was um so from what i understand is yeah he was like
that's so great what um oh wow so so so basically she was there but but the kicker is like she was also
she was extremely mysterious we have no idea what was going on with her um so they remember seeing her
and so from what i understand she was kind of like going around and even jacques says this like she was
so trippy yeah and there's a guy a kit green he um i mean i don't even care anymore at this point
they're abducted and stuff so apparently he was doing that even back then with valerie and he was
like i wouldn't go there you should just kind of stop now and i've gotten all that stuff whoa so like
what's going on what do you think do you have it well so for first of all a little context for the
so what what do you do you speculate as to what valerie well yeah i have a couple of things but
like you you're better off like not going there kind of thing so a couple of speculations firstly and
have in the puharach archives of her at lab nine um and you know yeah she was very good looking so that
but this you know you hear about that uh happening you know sleep to that kind of thing so that was
interview of her on youtube so you you probably know this youtube account eyes on cinema oh yeah so
and i'm like oh my this is crazy right so in the interview it's really bizarre she tells us really
you think they were like they just again didn't want to i don't know but it's just it's so goes
back she's so she's the biggest enigma in this whole world every single one of them nope oh man what
had this ufo experience at this time in this location so she's shocked right so then she says
and all this stuff that we know about is you know late 76 and 77 70. so that's her like origin story
woman that's not even what she looks like so but and the tape recording we have this which is a
video it sounds just sounds the same it sounds like that voice so it's probably her yeah it's so weird
so that's a rabbit hole in and of itself but but basically yeah she spent like a good amount of time at lab
talk to her because i'm actually in contact with her and i'm like yeah sure and and so he forwards
strange so strange yeah and early 80s yeah this is crazy it's so it's like there's a woman in the
like in the late 70s there really was like so much um unknown about this potential like radio
agitate people and etc so that was kind of like the wild west and that in the late 70s there of like
this stuff what's possible with it um so and valerie was again interested in that and was involved in in
that so it's so wild um what are the implications for all of this on modern ufo disclosure which seems
that still happens you know i think that's still going on so you know i think the implications are it's
missing for a lot of people you know prior to your movie so i really hope uh people go check it out i
some interest in in um some streaming stuff so and any anything big that uh i didn't touch on that i
um but yeah inman uh didn't come up with anything so yeah well he might have reasons to withhold
she's on a lot of these tapes so it was this woman named sharon so um you know sharon with two r's
to talk about her when you bring her up so that was another example of like okay maybe there's some
reality here because it's just so bizarre and like multiple space kids were like yeah i knew her well and
but um people think that his yeah buharach's lab was was that so do you does this add to your
them locate children with psi abilities so it's all that it's all that gray area you know yeah and you you
and she clearly was peeking past this blindfold which is it's just so sad and what a poor representation
wanted to talk to me because it was so similar to the stuff the space kids did that he read about but i
don't know what's i don't know what to believe yeah you know with that so it's just i don't know i'm in
been something like on him that's out there is um exciting for me obviously so yeah i think it'll
i think it'll raise some eyebrows i think so too raise some eyebrows maybe ruffle some feathers but
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