And you've made this amazing documentary on him.
It's this special program where basically they recruit students who they believe could be useful to whatever they're planning on doing in certain categories of the Army, whether it be medical, so forth.
Even on Wikipedia, there's not much about it.
You could do an episode on him.
He's like, you know, the Puharich on steroids, sort of, back then at least.
Because he was one of these guys, McCullough, who would, you know, on his off time, do all these like, strange experiments with radio frequencies and that kind of stuff.
And I think like, in the academic setting, he had to, you know, put on a suit and tie and like, not talk about that, basically.
And, you know, I know you had Annie Jacobson on, like she's in the film.
And she was trying to find records on McCullough because, you know, it was really interesting.
So, you know, he passed on.
We lived in a big 50 room house on the seashore, which was a lab and residence and so on.
So there's a lot going on with how that even opened because it's a huge lab.
It's on the coast of Maine, Rockland, Maine, it's called.
I learned like he tells a different story of how the Roundtable started and how we got the money and everything to what we kind of figured out was really going on.
I mean, even all the time we spent on the film, it's, I still haven't looked at it at all, but they basically detail the experiments going on, which were, you know, your classic ESP stuff, you know, like the cards, all that.
And so, yeah, I think they were, they, you know, intelligence community, so forth, were just very intrigued with what was going on there.
And what exactly is going on there?
What exactly is going on there?
You know, can somebody pick up on what's written on a letter in the other room?
In fact, on Buharic's book, The Sacred Mushroom, which is how I got into this whole thing.
In this instance, the Amanita muscaria, you know, gives people ESP abilities, and they did extensive research on that there.
But on the cover of that book, you know, Aldous Huxley gives a blurb for Buharic and calls him, you know, the greatest mind in parapsychology.
Really thought Buharic was, like, on to something.
It's the kind of archetypal, you know, emoji on all of our, you know, cell phones or iPhones, at least.
People like Albert Hoffman, Karl Ruck, and Stanislav Grof, who thought of themselves as creating what they called the new Eleusis, based on kind of, you know, past mystery rituals, the Eleusinian mystery rituals.
He was, he was sort of on his, on his come up, which, you know, maybe isn't a coincidence.
And, you know, they're like, what's going on here?
And just kind of on and on and on and on about a lot of philosophical new age sort of stuff, basically.
And he was on a tour at the time in the United States going to like rotary clubs and dinner parties,
And it is very, very little information on this guy.
So that begins this like, okay, what's really going on here?
This, you know, goes on way through the 70s when Buharic, the nine come back.
And on top of that, you should tweak the Faraday cage and build it this way and use this type of metal and use this.
You know, copper, they're, they're big on copper.
Cause of what happens later on in his story.
She whipped out this bracelet she had that was like a copper, a little copper plate on this bracelet that she said, like they all had to wear when they were doing their channeling sessions with him decades later.
And like other planets being more ascended and these nine really trying to help raise consciousness on earth, which might sort of sound like a cliche, but.
And I just thought that was interesting because of there's, there's so much talk of this orb stuff going on.
freaking seance, right? In the woods, in Maine on New Year's Eve with Andrea Paharic. And one of them, uh, is the guy who was the inventor of the bell helicopter. Right. So.
right? Like to be acting on their behalf.
Basically, he moved on to Intellectron, which I can talk about.
It was probably there's probably stuff going on before 52.
It's, you know, an hour on the train North of the city, you know, mad men, of course, the show, like I didn't even realize all the characters, they all live in Ossining.
He tells his family that basically he just got this contract to study basically more of what was going on at the round table foundation.
This is when he starts the hearing experiments where basically he claims that deaf people would come into the office and they would do research on them.
But that's when he first starts this whole, you know, radio frequency stuff, voices in the head kind of stuff, which again was under this, you know, we're researching on deaf people.
The people from the Atomic Energy Commission write very clearly in letters we found, like we went, Annie Jacobson talks about it, I think in her book, like one of the guys is like, I don't believe you, you know, test me and just, and, and, and did the test on himself and it worked.
Is there any explicit connection between Lee Harvey Oswald and Intellectron or that sort of speculation on your part?
I think that summer, right before JFK was assassinated, he, she did not want, you know, that at all on record.
I think Mary Bancroft like started to talk about it and he like, you know, he kind of acted like he didn't know what was going on when like, you know, he w he would have reacted earnestly if, if, if, if he hadn't, he clearly did know what was going on.
If you, you know, if you, the intersection of capabilities, motivation to, to take out JFK, Dulles has to be on anybody's short list.
It's like, of course, you know, we're going to be way more advanced on that stuff.
And I think that was going on at Intellectron.
He himself has gone deep on his father's death.
Each test builds on the last.
Again, there's footage of them doing an experiment on a woman.
And this kind of ties into what he was doing later in the seventies, but they're doing an experiment on a woman using this.
It was basically a radio receiver that would be, I guess at one point it was Puharich kind of says it as though you could slip on some sort of thing.
Like anyone could just kind of like slip this thing on their tooth.
A molar or something that would really be put on your tooth.
And it's a very specific radio frequency that I guess you can't tune into like on a normal frequency band or a radio.
Puharich's theory was that this metal dust had somehow collected on his teeth and in essence acted like a radio antenna.
And sure enough, soon as we locked the door, the sound ceased. Opened the door, the sound would come on.
He's doing an electron and, you know, you can just tell something's going on, something strange. And so you're right.
You know, the easy debunks on things like that.
But what people don't really know, uh, unless they read Buharic's book on, on Uri Geller, which is kind of like a rare book to, to come across.
um well he so we did tons of like foia uh requests trying to trying to find stuff on him
geller kind of parted ways he's always going there um on a lot of the channeling tapes that are happening
i'm still thinking okay what what was really going on there you know fascinating man what what do you
because you can you i mean you can hear it i mean again this isn't like speculation like on the tapes
was like the only uh you know frequency that could do that you know they went on to use that frequency with like
you know we need to experiment on a real you know human being with some of this stuff and again it goes
with these kinds of experiments you need to you know do it on a real person or else you're never going to
he he started to question everything and he even came out with a statement on a radio show in like 2019
saying that buharic had experimented on him with with mushrooms and had experimented extensively with
heavy says or you touch this tell me what you feel now i put my hand on it and i say verna this is
not from here he says you're right this is a piece of a ufo that crashed on our planet uh it's over it's
around in uh in a jeep and they're they see a a ufo and geller all of a sudden i mean puhart's book on
this will forever be proof that i i uh you know went on this craft but the same thing it's always like
he believed it and puhart kind of substantiated oh yeah you know we saw it land and we saw you walk on
truth but it's possible we have to entertain that yeah or is mk ultra actually converging on a technique
kind of split up get geller wants to to move on and again way later in this 2019 interview he he kind
what was kind of going on and and i was suspicious and i just wanted to get away basically from this guy
had and he goes to the dentist and says you know what what's going on here i i didn't get this done and
early 70s so there might be something going on with this this tooth thing and you know again i think
ultra experiment on his family you know decades after now all this stuff so so yeah i don't want to put
were there and you know maybe there's some occult stuff going on there yeah with the knights of malta
and danny on the phone with me is like dude i'm not sure that the early astronauts weren't mk ultra
and it's weird you know and it's like you have you know a picture of jolly west on the set of 2001
my you know and if i didn't know puharj and you weren't of on braun you have one of the mk ultra
they would do these sessions and gene roddenberry went up a lot and he makes mention on this one tape
federation yeah and so do you think there's something like more real going on that in in
oh yeah who's you know a really interesting guy um there's some videos on youtube with him he's kind
of like the israeli puhart he he kind of looks like him and you know they have the same vibe going on but
because we don't have the definitive answer of what's going on we just have all this
he's very clear like you know at that period like i was i was uh concerned about what was going on he
often again like these people have something that's a little anomalous going on and they play it up you
out there yeah who have something and again it's just like can you turn it on every time can you
i think he liked the idea of the showmanship and but yeah he definitely had something going on
but these kids would see um geller on tv and all of a sudden like that would uh cause them to just
saying what the hell is going on here you know my kid just did this my kid just bent a spoon my kid just
and apparently it was because they saw him on tv and and something happened something clicked and they
psychic uh research uh research on these kids and i think again not unlike the earlier
want to know what's going on with myself you know they weren't trying to like you know do anything more
than like can you help me figure out what's going on after after you've looked at this for 10 plus years
puharic uh i think it's i don't want to say synthetically created i think what was going on
targ at ossining sitting on the front steps so my theory is that and people have talked about this
he had lab nine and i think that lab nine was doing sri research you know on on children because essentially
a lot of the tapes are remote viewing there's no other way to look at it it's okay what's going on in this location
kids who on the tapes are doing remote viewing so but the qu the question i want to push you on this
again in some of these um sessions and and this is strange is is that on some of the sessions you
and she's you know this is like the tape recording we're hearing and and on those sessions it's like
okay see you set in on a session so now you know what it's like and then when those people aren't
but i think he got sort of under the thumb of the uh you know intelligence world early on and i just don't
i'm i'm i'm good you know and i so i think that there was a lot of pressure on him to do some of this
in certain cases they probably came upon really exciting scientific truths that were converging on
these people and then they would probably be forced to you know work on things in contexts that they
admits like that is what was going on with him yeah well he warns future researchers basically like don't
you know middle east war right going on and puharic and specifically phyllis schlemer he was still
working with her then but and and and all the space kids you know they weren't specifically going on
life really she did an interview she said he used the the td 100 machine on me all the time i never knew
who are actually spies and you know something like that going on again it's uh interesting
a cover for something more vital that clearly was was actually working and functional and he actually on
russian guerrilla soldiers are using so we then know what to pick up on when we hear this code name
like it's almost like okay i gotta i i have to you know do my job for the cia and on my off time i i can
like again there's no mind manipulation dark stuff going on there it's it's it's very clearly him like i'm going to meditate in the king's chamber
around that where i think like there was a situation too where he may have been you know on payroll for you know xyz
maybe on on a mission and hey you know don't screw around kind of thing i think there was a lot of
that going on and um his death is completely mysterious what what happened you can see the
was a woman who was on this this tape that dick russell recorded i told you about
it to me straight like what's going on with this guy and she she opens up too and she says yeah he
that that stuff was all created she says so what she was opening up about that on this tape and so so
the ufo thing but um but all that was going on like right before he died you know that tape was recorded
incident occurred where he he fell on the stairs where he's basically like outlining why he thinks he's
so when he would turn on the tv he would get hit by this you know elf that would be and he and he
was a physician he was a medical doctor so he would know what was going on with his own body and he
on him on him yeah i mean if again if this were to be believed which i quite frankly do believe
know weapons and so forth again a lot of that was going on in the late 70s
on behalf of the cia to talk to him as a guy we know was involved in cia who's that this guy named bob
is was uh found dead grinberg disappeared so again what do you say it's all coincidence and you move on or
agency and they're using him and you know what's crazy is uh on some random message board uh this
there and again on the tapes like he would say a name or he would write their name well actually in
the others you're going to be work on like building ufos essentially which he believes his work touches on
the main use cases of mk ultra it would be like keeping secret science sort of on lock maybe creating
some sort of cult dynamics around it wiping people's memories when they work on really sensitive
outside the overton window like it is today yeah and so yeah anyway how would you speculate on do
you have you speculated on the connection between townsend brown and puharic nothing more than just
uh i i know this i think through um this amazing researcher on townsend brown named jan lundquist
injured but he's okay and he's on his way back to the us or whatever so i can give you like 50 other
stories like that like curtis lemay i mean his daughter said i think on the phone with me linda
and military elite um so it makes sense if puha rich was as well on the kind of the psychic
uh they kind of say like we're kind of behind a lot of the sightings that that are occurring on
the re the reason i'd love to be cynical about it but like the nuclear stuff has been going on since
the 40s there's this guy bud clem uh there's this ufo and nukes documentary it's all based on robert
with robert hastings on my channel but you have this guy bud clem as early as 1945 in hanford where
related research going on with some of this mind control stuff peppered in just to throw off the
is just run on frequency tone sound he thinks everything's like the universe is all sound uh
stuff like diagrams charts math and like you got to think like they obviously were like on to something
whatever well you know it's weird you say that because on a lot of the tapes there's mention of
there are some sort of computers involved on which end though because are they recording what they're
non-human entities or extraterrestrials or do they think that they were tapping into like some dude on the
to maybe think at least okay something else was going on what was it you know we don't we don't know for
sure but i think they're willing to accept like some something else was going on back then
the head of uh army something or other and then he went on to become the president of like west
that or he was connected to a lot of like weird stuff basically and it was very little on him
that she in effect had to pass on to like important scientists she predicted the failure of one of these
she was extremely mysterious we have no idea what was going on with her um so they remember seeing her
white house or no other than this guy elvis star basically saying like i i met her on on numerous
what's going on what do you think do you have it well so for first of all a little context for the
uh how put off but really seems to be as deep as anybody specifically on kind of the
on she always happened to travel with no no issues no money issues she's always anywhere she needed to be
was this one theory is that she was kind of like getting information um on behalf of who i don't know
thing because again she was always on these boards of these sort of weird energy companies and things
interview of her on youtube so you you probably know this youtube account eyes on cinema oh yeah so
anyways on there this one day this was not even that long it was like a year ago this video pops up
basically saying you know i am an a i'm an et and i'm here on earth on like a humanitarian mission
whatever and and she starts to question okay what what's going on here like was this real was this guy
recorded phone conversation the voice on that which is most definitely her sounds it's it's her on this
to buy it on some odd website which is now down but um it's very very strange and um when i was
from him again i look him up on facebook and again i may maybe i'm crazy and this stuff has gotten
like hey you know what's going on with the film and is there any way i can see it and hey did you ever
nixon white house who's to claim she's channeling aliens and also happens to be on the board of all
frequency weapons and it's on youtube there's a whole cnn special which came out a little later i
that so it's so wild um what are the implications for all of this on modern ufo disclosure which seems
i think there's some there's some truth peppered into a lot of you know false going on and i think that
that still happens you know i think that's still going on so you know i think the implications are it's
well it's going to be for purchase um on you know itunes and youtube and that kind of thing
some interest in in um some streaming stuff so and any anything big that uh i didn't touch on that i
should have honestly like yeah probably but i mean you're you've got your gift that keeps on giving
knew the most about this stuff yeah he he buharic was in with them very early on and he continued in
she's on a lot of these tapes so it was this woman named sharon so um you know sharon with two r's
yeah this you know this one checks out and they would move on to wherever they would move on to
this woman that went on danny jones um i think are actually faking things the mother of one of the kids
it touches on kind of deeper architectures and nature of reality and then there's another part of
been something like on him that's out there is um exciting for me obviously so yeah i think it'll
you know you know you're on the right path if you do that but um yeah greg this is an honor man this