And so the one spot that we had to go to was ACLU.
but ACLU was not as aggressive as a lot of us wanted to be.
And just like ACLU or NAACP or anything else.
the environmentalists. You got the natural organizations for women. You got the ACLU. Why don't the
country. And so that one of the things I did is I wanted to have consultants come in like ACLU
experience, but when I was chief trial counselor for ACLU in the Rocky Mountain region, we actually
the telephone and had a telephone conference and fired him. Right. And so ACLU were brought in,
Turns out Jojo Ram, who was the general counsel for the ACLU and that I was at the ACLU