I mean, I know that the people in the National Security say, oh, well, you look, they're trying to
an active citizen movement of people, unconnected to the national security state infrastructure,
with them. If we could reach past the national security state strictures, uh, and have direct
and productive relationship with them, I know this freaks out the national security state people
of how we deal with the national security state has been set up by the United States and the
in Richard Dolan who wrote the UFOs in the National Security State, he's got the documents right
civilian operated tests like this and betting people. And the problem with the national security
security interest and other things. You know, I'm not a great fan of the national security state
raised in the national security state, it becomes their absolute totem, you know, that's what they