So I've had those conversations with Dr. John Mack,
You know, you talked about John Mack, he had much more of like a, a, a positive outlook for,
John did.
that's what John Kennedy was attempting to do with, with Chris Jeff in 1963.
When, when, when John Mack and I back in Moe must have been 1996, 97 or so,
that are being, you know, brow-beaten in the cold. The John Stuart. Yeah. I haven't been convinced