So I've had those conversations with Dr. John Mack,
you know, in all these, but you know, so I would go and work with Dr. Mack on the side,
You know, you talked about John Mack, he had much more of like a, a, a positive outlook for,
When, when, when John Mack and I back in Moe must have been 1996, 97 or so,
to to very dear friends of mine that Mindy Mack, Robert Mackintosh was one of my friends from
of right now. And Mindy Mack said like what? That's where we are right now, you know, with regard to