This is great. So do you have an addiction to zingers? I love it. And of course, thank you for arming me with my diet, diet mountain do.
It's I drink about one to 100 to 200 ounces of this stuff a day.
Great. I grew up as a child of the 80s. I just turned 50. So as a as a child of the 80s, my parents raised us on a steady diet of Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Ridley Scott, James Cameron.
I was a huge fan of everything from Knight Rider to Battlestar Galactica to Star Wars to the A-Team. You name it.
And it was literally a ditch digger for years. But it taught me not only the value of hard work and how to work long 12 to to 16 hour days, but also to appreciate people from other backgrounds from other walks of life.
You experience all sorts in the construction industry and to be able to develop respect for your peers. Even if they've chosen different paths and and have different approaches to life was important and being part of a team.
Being part of a crew that is focused on on a very complex set of requirements was was something that that I enjoyed being part of as a as a teenager working heavy construct outside.
It was to everyone's surprise at 18 that I chose to not pursue a career in the family business in construction, but to to forge a path in commercial real estate.
You think of what happens between ages 18 or 19 and 21 and that's a period of time where you're making decisions as to who you are and how you view the world and what kind of person you're going to be.
There was no college fund. There was no college fund. It was either we had to go work construction or have a scholarship, have grades that would allow us to have a scholarship.
I was fortunate to have a leadership scholarship to what is now Utah Valley University, which is the largest institution in the state.
But in Utah as far as the office parks and commercial centers, I have a project called Thanksgiving Park that is in the heart of what we now call Silicon slopes, almost a million square feet of class A office space that has been an important part of my career, putting that project together at its inception all the way through to
to success and conclusion has been a great privilege, but a number of other incredible projects, Falcon Hill, which is I think the finest aerospace research park in the country at Hill Air Force Base is a noteworthy project that I've had the privilege of being involved in since the beginning that
I wouldn't be where I'm at without good parents, grandparents, without great examples. Even my teachers, my high school teachers who had such an impact on me,
our educators don't get anywhere near the praise that they should. In fact, we took our favorite high school teacher to mission impossible this last weekend just to stay in close touch.
And especially with somebody like you coming in, you never really know how it's going to go.
Both of you are so grounded and just a real pleasure to be around and you compliment each other perfectly. When did you guys meet?
You guys get married. And I don't, did you already I already owned the audience, Kim, but it was it was a, it was a happy coincidence that she, she happened to be raised by an experienced her, you know, her mother was, was an experienced that witnessed a UFO and broad daylight.
Yeah, with her, with her brother and shared that experience her entire life with those around her, including her daughter, Kristen, my wife. And so Kristen was already somewhat familiar with the landscape associated with the UFO topic.
company to Novel as a teenager. And as I had mentioned, he he had built the the world's largest
internet consulting firm. Wow. That I had the privilege of advising and working with. So
hearing his claims, I was intrigued. I was willing to invest. Even willing to to devote
some of our facilities and resources to to the effort. Well, it ended up becoming a very challenging
endeavor. But through that experience, I developed relationships with a team of science advisors
that unbeknownst to me were simultaneously advising and a loose a billionaire out of Las Vegas named
Robert Bigelow, Bigelow Aerospace. Who as a real estate developer and entrepreneur was was a
the previous data or research? No, I didn't push. I asked respectfully and and I respected his
things about me from his science advisors. His science advisors had had told him that I had
managed the the project that we had shared in common with professionalism. And and I think that
there has been cattle brought on and off the property periodically and I've maintained that
use through my stewardship over the course of the last seven plus years as well. And so when I
on my graphic directors computer to be analyzed if you really believe that you've captured something.
So he did. He drove two and a half hours straight to my office in Salt Lake City. And downloaded that
I get another call branded. I've got another image. We myself and the caretakers just saw a glowing
You know, a few people said, well, do you feel the ground shifting? And, and even Eric Bard said,
yeah, I feel, you guys feeling this sensation that I'm feeling kind of vertigo? And I, I was kind of
uh, former president of the California Health Angels and another one was a contractor.
preparing to leave for Skinwalker Ranch. I said to you guys really believe in this UFO crap.
and let them charge up. But we don't want to disrupt our day because a bit of it was very frustrating.
phasing out of our perception instantaneously. But it was gone. And that whole event spanning about
my physicist and principal investigator, upon all of us getting back, asked that we not talk
with each other about the event. He wanted to get our independent testimony, which was wise.
talking to their neighbors and calling people in. It caught the attention of a journalist at the
Deseret News, that name Zach Van Eyck, who came out, was convinced that they were credible,
I've learned he ascribed negative events afflicting his family to really his ownership of the ranch.
a megalithic site as well that we've investigated in the area, but there's a lot of rock art and evidence
ranch or the Bigelot ranch in Utah, and then took on the identity of skinwalker ranches as they
simply started referring to the property as such as a result of the Native American.
What is a skinwalker? A skinwalker is a shape-shifting demonic entity. It's essentially a Native
American witch or warlock that sells their soul in exchange for immortality, the ability to take
on the skin or shape-shift, oftentimes in the form of a wolf, a dire wolf, or a weird wolf-like
creature, but they can also take on the shape of other animals as well. It's a topic that I found
the Native American community likes to stay away from. They don't like to discuss it,
to even say the name skinwalker is negative. It's a key part of their cultural tradition and history.
Okay, the last part of the history that I want to talk about is we spoke a little bit less
fence line at Skinwalker Ranch. It permeates and goes out through the entire you into basin.
the transaction. I personally had my encounter, had my UFO experience with multiple witnesses,
six months after acquiring the property and we've progressed significantly since that time
at age 21, picked right back up where we left off and Jim hired me to essentially continue the
I'll go and below the ground. What prompted that? Uh, that had been told, we were,
negative response that would result in injury or harm. And it was a, it really was a fear.
It still is. We still have incidents that have occurred in tandem with
finding a, some type of a metal substance within the mesa. Right. You've seen UAPs fly
And there's definitely an object. There's a round spherical object that is tracking with the
helicopter during that exercise. And there's, this is not a drone. This isn't something that we can,
we can assign some either natural cause to or point to some known technology. It seems, it seems
very unusual. The other thing that really caught my attention, probably more than,
probably more than anything is the GPS trackers that, that they were dropping out of the helicopter.
Right. With the streamers. And it seemed to be almost bouncing off an invisible object.
Like they would fall like this and just bounce off of nothing. Yeah. End up in a completely
different region of the, the ranch. Yeah. And they're, they're being deflected off of something.
And that, that speaks to the fact that we believe that there is some anomaly. There is some,
I mean, they are the experts. They are the gold standard left completely baffled.
and this ranch investigation is no different. I think we're all sacrificing. We're all
happening with the equipment and what was revealed was what I believe to be compelling evidence that
we're dealing with with an intelligence that is at least willing to acknowledge and wants their
Wow. That is, that is, it's spooky. It is. You know, when you see the image, it's spooky.
our stewardship and working to sincerely engage the phenomena.
interdimensional in origin and nature. People ask me all the time, is what you are documenting
our things misidentified? Absolutely. That's part of the process. That's part of learning.