Virginia. And Dr. Roger Lear was adamant. It was like 2012, maybe 2013. And Dr. Roger Lear was just
then Roger, and I was backburnered Virginia for the time because I had my hands full, like
working 17 hour days. And Roger Lear kind of got upset. And he says, well, if you're not going to,
So fast forward all these years later, and I thought, oh my gosh, I've got the Roger Lear