of consciousness, I don't really want to be cornered into any one position or any one
adjective or title.
And something I've found myself more and more, I found myself doing more and more, it's come
to my attention that this whole thing is kind of silly, you know, is what I've pretty much
arms up in the air?
But what I think is more possible is that it's some kind of strange alchemy between the
personal psyche and whatever the true phenomena is.
perhaps if seen from someone else might resemble a reptile.
And a reptile is interesting too, because the snake in, according to Carl Jung was the
survival instinct, a, a threat, a like, oh, that stay away from that.
If you see a snake, it's very scary.
And so, you know, that could just be some type of physical manifestation of a deep seated
fear that we project onto something we don't understand.
Yeah.
And then they become sort of reptilian in our eyes.
Yeah.
Dude, serpent symbolism to me, again, this might be a very niche thing to nerd out about,
but serpent symbolism to me is very interesting because I think from a more modern POV, we
tend to think of the serpent as this malevolent being, right?
Like the serpent in the garden of Eden, you know, uh, the, the great serpent Leviathan
or all these very, uh, Satan or Luciferian adjacent things.
But in the ancient world, there were very, there were like benevolent serpents as well.
Mm-hmm.
So in the, like in the Egyptian myth, mythos or spiritual system, you had both positive and
negative serpents, like serpents, uh, who were aligned with chaos and destruction.
And then serpents that were servants of Ra and creation in, um, like, I think that one
Or Korean writing.
Yeah.
And that's kind of haunted me since we had that conversation.
I want to get into the Greek mythology.
He brings it to the humans, you know, and then he gets punished basically eternally for taking
a divine power and bringing it down to humanity without permission.
It inspires his curiosity.
He becomes sort of, he, he thrives now.
What was he drawing like steam engines in the sand when he was 17 or whatever in Serbia?
It's not stupid.
And yeah, when you bring what we're talking about to the psychical level, that is the most fun, most schizo.
It's weird, man.
And so I, and I don't know if that's just the weird workings of the mind as it's shutting down for the night, or if that truly is having like a clear audience kind of just picking up information from the ether.
And that's what makes any level of sense to me is that there's, is there, there is an implicate order, but somewhere within the implicate order, there's like attenuation and loss in the intention.
That's just a, uh, natural result of what it's like to be physical.
And so I think, I think in order for us to be physical, you need both components.
You need the yin and the yang, the good, the bad, the up, the down.
Okay. Well.
Yeah. I think it was a different race, but yeah.
When you, when you inevitably talk about these super intelligent beings that we have no concept of, you know, just, it, it introduces nihilism.
Like you can't not be nihilistic.
Yeah.
You have to eventually let go because after all the other stages of grief, you're gonna, you're gonna end up just being like, all right, I guess I don't care, you know, cause otherwise it's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's all consuming.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, but those don't have to be mutually exclusive either.
You know, we could all be living under the same dome of interdimensional beings that are controlling, you know, everything.
They just might have a slightly better grasp of maybe how to interact with it or how to spot it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My suspicion is that there might be some sort of bridge group and whether this is like a, from like deep within the military industrial complex, or it is like a almost theos, theosophical, uh, you know, invisible college.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, maybe it's something like that, but I suspect that that could be true.
And I also really want it to be true that there are like these high esoteric adepts that are in touch with the higher forces and, and working on behalf of the good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she turns around, walks up to the other one and in lockstep, they walk out of the store.
He grabs the items.
Like you're supposed to be a singer. You're supposed to be a ballet dancer. You're supposed to be an accountant. And at every turn, when life tries to force them out of that box, it's like everything is going wrong.
They're having all these mental problems. They're having, you know, their life is falling apart and it's all because they're basically fighting their diamond. Like their diamond is like, no, this is what you are. And if you try to fight against what you are, instead of discover what you are, you're going to have all kinds of problems.
This is your ayahuasca trip.
Yeah.
of a direction with how they interpret things.
And on that note, it's also interesting that we were talking about Rosicrucians before he's
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's a very interesting idea at the very least.
Again, Anthony Peake, he, that's his go-to explanation for UFOs.
I think that that can be enough.
I think that that can honestly be enough.
archetypally very different than summer. And you could say, ah, it's just because of the angle of
the planet. And like, technically all of those things are true, but I don't think that that robs
And you either have to do something or give a kind of password, or you have to be initiated
into something to get through each threshold guardian. And I think, again, this is appealing to
I, I think it's not Euclideans, but it's like something it ends, right?
It's bugging me now.
To have a clean intention on any of this stuff.
desire patterns or whatever. So you need to be able to navigate your way out of that with enough
clarity of mind to be able to navigate this soul vehicle. And that's what the ancients called it,
knows, I didn't get control of the thing, but I definitely had an experience of separating from my
body and had the full blown Robert Monroe. This is insane. This is terrifying. I don't know how to
control this. Oh my God. And then basically just asking for help until I re-emerge with my body and
then being in disbelief for the next 24 hours. Like, oh my God, real man. That's not a metaphor.
That's not a dream. That's not a, that's real, but that's as far as I got. But this idea of navigating,
you know, locale to what he calls it, where there's all the, I mean, so much stuff he describes.
The strangeness.
The strangeness. Remember, remember the, um, the story of-
The naked little boys on his back or whatever. Whoa.
Do you remember that?
That's not where I was going.
Do you remember that?
Um, I actually don't.
That was wild. It's in like one of the later chapters in Journeys Out of the Body where he's like,
these little boys are just appeared and like, he knew they weren't human, but they were naked and
they were like riding his back. And I'm like, I don't know if I should skip this chapter.
Yeah. Um, remember the one there, there's like a thing about-
The leeches that he was fighting off leeches at one point too.
Because I've experienced that.
Yeah.
It's like the psychic winter of reality or something. And supposedly we are coming out of that. We're
supposedly coming out of the Kali Yuga into the next, I forget which the next yuga is, but
Because like, I think that's probably what everybody experiences is like,
you got to try this when you get back. Yeah.