Um, this guy named Timaeus, who's supposed to be a Pythagorean sage comes and gives a lecture to Socrates and all the students.
Um, and like Plato is right downstream of this lineage because he's also said to be a Pythagorean initiate as well.
regard. And then we also know, we don't know for a fact that he was a Pythagorean, which again is
about Pythagorean concepts all the time. He's actually hiding things like the Pythagorean music