Kingman, Arizona, back in 53 or 52.
I think it was 53.
We had a long period of introduction into meetings say an EBE in the EO.
And I call them J. Rod.
And the key element in there, all the information wasn't there because even our guys, our people that with the top mathematicians and stuff couldn't figure some of this stuff out.
So we would take it and then you know, we'd have to, with these design, you know, there's a requirement requirement for calculations.
They offered this fellow money through me to do a documentary. He returned it down. He didn't want to compromise the story at all in any way using his name because of his position at GTE and because what his peers would think of him because he had taken an oath.
So you have highly placed rumors that they actually have crash retrieval cases, whether they're true or not, we only can wait and see, but they come from people with impeccable credentials.
And anything that would penetrate into the sand, 20 inches that way would certainly have some scratch marks.
No signs of buckling fracture or anything?