You know, that's, that was the, the acid test. So I said, I can do a better job than these guys. And so I started the UFO crash, the travel conference in 2003 and ran for seven years in Las Vegas.
So that was the impetus of creating the book at that time and just kept pushing along with ufology for those crash retrieval times and then I had family and kids and took a little pause, but basically in the last couple of years, I've reemerged into the field and tried to focus on what I perceive as the fundamental big issues of ufology.
And so that takes real money and let alone other other things. But I'm just I'm not logged on there. But no, it's great. It's good to have the background. And you know, to your point, it seems like a lot of people have emerged over over the past several years, especially since
80 years old. But whatever that like energy gene is, he's got it. Right. It's never saying
It take time. I mean, it's take 10, 20, 30 years of generation, but this is the process that I
yeah, maybe like 12,000 years from now. Like am I too cynical to believe that? No, I mean, that's a
thing that happens with all crash retrievals. But for 70 to 80 years, there was allegedly a body
Plane town. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And no one dug it up for 70 to 80 years. That was the part that
they let it hang out for 50 years, you know, so yeah, right. So let's get that. And I'm sure that
special classified executive order of president Truman on 24 September 1947 about a couple years
years later. Well this leaked in 1994. Right and this was 19 April 1954 allegedly. Right well
employee basically wrote the government printing style manual for several years which is a big
classify all 3900 pages you got to get in line and it'll be six years six years six years and it
might be dead in six years exactly I might have moved you know uh and but if you reduce your
and it'll be 39 months that's still over three years exactly so this is an example of how the
happened for Tim and over several years he got a variety of mailbox drops um I have some of
years later from the Freedom of Information Act office uh at Fort Mead Maryland um to Tim Cooper
now your dad who's quite literally a rocket scientist yeah scientist did this for many many years
so your dad is obviously a genius and yet for so many years he felt like this was this was
hundred years and join the cosmic kindergarten benevolent guidance could could point to
you know 10 20 years ago when he was younger um and uh and that was fun that was fun
incredible and I and I feel confident coming from Joe that because it's Joe years yeah because it's
like guys it's been 80 years they haven't done it yet like they could do it in a second if they
almost 80 years now since then the world has had all these weapons and yes we've tested them
of James Irwin was one of the first astronauts a years ago yeah you know it's in the 60s
back uh the good ol foyer requests of the government that have been released over the years
Rich Ben Rich who was the head of Lockheed Skunkworks for 15 years Lockheed Skunkworks and in his
physicists theoretical mathematicians and worked for many years on cracking the code of gravity
years and then you could have another team of insanely great physicists day and insanely great
18 years ahead of time I was saying crash retrieval scratch retrievals and and before me was