show that have been studying this topic for over 25 30 years like yourself yeah most people have been
so um i got involved in this subject a little over 30 years ago so it was in the like 1993 94
that and as far as the burnout goes i i'm totally i've done this for 30 years right and my wife could
i think i you know started this 30 years ago thinking i'm gonna go down this rabbit hole for a
they existed in total secrecy for over 30 years yeah uh the nsa you know jokingly referred to as no