my head on an area where i was trying to become an expert and i just wanted to know i just wanted to
know and so i thought i'd spend a couple of months to look into it and i got hooked i got totally hooked
1946 going into 47 and then out of that you get the central intelligence agency that's all with the
we had we had our own little cache of alien tech essentially and corso said his job was to
kind of segue that out to private industry as quietly as he could and he did say things like kevlar and
creating this crazy like heart-shaped propulsion uh pocket right oh this is above my my pay grade
yeah understanding it too but uh there's a couple of different theories that people have had as to
whole topic was that documentary that you were a part of um about paul benowitz um was it the magic
man magic man yeah oh wow that was uh mark pilkington i believe i did that one that's back in 2005
i guess that's my own position i think i think bennewitz was seeing things that were not not all
ours and i only say that because when first of all there were a number of other people who are
in across the street and was beaming information into his house saying that the aliens were trying
to commune or they were aliens trying to communicate with him they were coming to earth because they're
woman her name was myrna hansen and she was uh god i can't remember did she she witnessed
the cattle mutilation i think cattle being lifted up but she was also uh supposedly taken to an
the secrecy of the ufo subject at that time one was as we mentioned the release of documents of
freedom of information this was a new thing this had never happened before you know in the 50s and
one was reading but they were coming out and so again if you're managing the secrecy
do something about that and which is the case like to this day new documents may come out and you've
already got people saying is this real is this lies it's this disinfo it's amazing to watch it's very
what to believe yeah that's just fight about it it's probably right it's probably i think it's even
less than 20 that needs to be fake wow really yeah i don't i don't i mean um i think so because there's
he's a man who interviewed admiral thomas r wilson in 2002 which was a whole big thing that came out in
2019 that was a big mess but it was all true davis meets with wilson after wilson had retired from the
but think of this in the last less than two weeks those all of those have come out like that's
profound that's powerful stuff yeah uh more than a decade ago you would have had to wait like there
exactly so uh so i don't remember why i got into all this but yeah i guess we're like i asked you
just like what your uh your what your ultimate takeaway was from that recent congressional thing
with eric davis and all those guys we're looking at a kind of pile-on effect you know with uh the
momentum of all of this these new revelations new claims maybe it might be a better way to put it but
yeah more and more new information is absolutely coming out at a rate that is unprecedented we've
never in all of the history of ufo research and that's this is something i can speak very
confidently about there has never been anything like the time that we're in now this is this is
unprecedented and where it will lead is a really good question yeah yeah so so over the last couple
months uh i mean like my emotional my emotions on this whole topic vary it's like i ride
this roller coaster of emotions on the ufo topic from being a i get burnt out on it super easily
yeah i get like this ufo fatigue um and then i also go back and forth between like is it really
tell you like when it's after dinner time i i almost like i have to think about other things i can't
i can't do ufos anymore like in the old days i would go to like two three in the morning just like
universe those conditions have existed so that you then develop life and then it gets to the the critical
point where it develops its own ability to kind of manage itself which we're maybe kind of doing and
system of which we are now just a part like we think it's working for us but i think we're serving
the system and we're serving the system that is becoming ever more complex and and that intelligence will
it would be very difficult to probably for those people to survive without it yes because you become
dependent on it and then not only that but the fact that you have fire means you have to develop all
there something else going on i'm not going to pretend that i have that answer but i think that somehow
life didn't jeff goldblum say this in jurassic park life finds a way and i think that life does find a
could break this stone wow this is really useful so that encourages further intellectual development
just just just even napping stones is like that's a skill so you're working cognitively here and so i
sometimes anonymously they will report something to some uh website somewhere like that happens and i've
tried to collect all of those they're very interesting but basically we are you know so when
stations general quarters so they've all got to go so he has to go back to his uh communication
station where he says for the next uh 20 25 minutes uh the ship was on general quarters and
i think there's a good chance there was something below the water there too oh you think you think
there was a bigger ship that it came out of or something i think so yeah there's talk about that
cases that are connected to mexico than we probably you know i have been able to find you know the just
the reports from like uh robert hastings with the ufos and nukes and the the the saucers showing up
above these nuclear missile silos and things like this i can't imagine that there's not some crazy
case of like a ufo like stopping a nuclear submarine or something or interacting with like a big nuclear
sub well we have some pretty good account actually the best accounts of that by the way i'm a very big
admirer of robert hastings work especially on nukes very very important so i'm glad you mentioned him
but uh yeah the best nuclear submarine stories that i've been able to find i mean there's a
one or two of american but the soviets soviet union um yeah they have some we we learned about them i think a
lot of this happened when the soviet union fell in in 1991 and for a while there a lot of these stories
trillion yeah i got it wrong 2.3 but uh yeah no yeah that's all right and basically you know she
looks at this whole thing from a balance sheet perspective saying all these trillions of dollars have
propagandized 24 7. yeah basically what it is sure yeah and it's built on lies and that's why they can't
disclose certain things because they feel like that will unravel a whole another layer of lies that will
gonna believe in that uh however so let's say now in 2010 when we wrote this the country was not nearly as
polarized as it is now so in 2010 we're envisioning the president goes and tells the world well you
any of the alternate ideas of what happened right that that don't go with the narrative right they
they seem to be the ones that go with the narrative the one the people who are more disconnected from it
and he came around you know my my dad um all right we'll have to talk about something else so let's move
basically you have a guy who comes in that is the ultra most polarizing political figure that we've had
since abraham lincoln lincoln lincoln was a highly polarizing president if you really go back but
he had a different he was had a different angle of it he was a part of some different organization but um
um basically he says that he went to one of greer's public yeah whistleblower conferences and he
you know obviously we have like things like the tic tac where right it's like a we know that's
we've had people testify and there's there's the the footage like the go fast and the fleer stuff but
little i've learned a few things jesse may know more than i do i don't know i have to have to hear
what he has to say yeah one of the things that i try to do with this study is two things what so one
these people were taking some of this money using money to explore space yeah and explore these
really esoteric things yeah she describes it really uh nicely yeah and she says it's like imagine there's
jeff he's not alive anymore he uh he spent all of his time just pulling down nasa video footage from
all the nasa space missions and just looking through them and he wasn't just some wide-eyed
don't think you can just dismiss that so for elon musk to say you know to dismiss it all which with
a wave of the hand as he seems to do i i find very curious yeah have you heard of the uh the guy who
allegedly works for him who works for the nro who uh i think diana pisolka wrote about him in her first
book who has all these patents and like worked with this dude chris bledsoe and apparently like
read him into all this super secret stuff talked about all these crazy oh this the high level nasa
individual i think yeah there was two of them there was one of them named hal paven meyer who
apparently like mapped the moon and then uh there was this other guy um i think his name was tim who
yeah who uh apparently like said all kinds of stuff to chris like told him like we brought him to cape
canaveral which is like two and a half hours from here yeah and said that when you go through the
gates just play your favorite song in your head because these people are trying to read your mind
and it's very interesting very very bizarre yeah she that's a good that's an interesting book
and uh i don't know what to say about this i mean i've i've uh spoken with chris bledsoe myself a few
if need be and there's always been very high paranoia within the ufo community