years i think it was easy to interpret all of his work as saying all of this phenomenon is uh secret
show that have been studying this topic for over 25 30 years like yourself yeah most people have been
in this stuff just you know for a few years recently since like the emergence of youtube um but i think it
so um i got involved in this subject a little over 30 years ago so it was in the like 1993 94
cat and mouse games over and over again right for years and years and you know you read and then
theoretically could be thousands of years ahead of us or more that a you could struggle in figuring out
over a number of years kind of passed it out to different scientists including hal putoff and eric davis
words this is really interesting to me because you know normally for years and years you're thinking
at all over the years yes it's it's developed and it's deepened i guess i could say i've never
fingers in this pie and it's not all uh federal government and um and so over the years like
my years of looking into this i have to say uh one of the uh biggest turning points for me in this
playing it right out of water they're going to be here in 15 years or something is that magic man i
lying they were lying through their teeth for years and so that was one thing so the freedom of
to that man but why is that he's worked very closely for many years with hal putoff he's worked
kennedy johnson nixon four what yeah he was 89 years old and then died immediately after this interview
would have been years in between stories like that yeah it's drinking from a fire hose
that and as far as the burnout goes i i'm totally i've done this for 30 years right and my wife could
paper a number of years ago on uh ultra terrestrials this yeah concept and it's a it's very interesting
signatures and we just started with this business so if you've been doing this for a thousand years or
hundreds of millions of years that we can allow complex life to develop on right and i mean yeah
out of human beings ends up being in like 50 to 100 years well it all depends on it's summertime boys
technology right yeah in the last 10 000 years we're not the same as we were back then so uh and
large communities and societies roughly 10 000 years ago so we're we're going on a path so what we're
species survival like honestly like once we've had fire for like a couple hundred thousand years right
been uh hashing around for a couple of years excuse me i totally believe that that's the case we actually
than 10 000 years ago i think it's like the amount of a golf ball or no more than that i think right uh
australopithecine distant ancestors of four million years ago or three million years ago they realized oh i
yeah uh you know there's the secret life of plants which came out over 50 years ago which talks about
um and you know i've i'd heard of this type of phenomenon for many many years uh it's always been
really intrigued by it and i thought to myself this is back this is three years ago so in 2022
good case that i consider good is actually only from 1717 so like 300 years ago it's a pretty good case
though and then they become better over the years uh a lot more detail and i just started collecting
all like you you're seeing this phenomenon evolve over especially the last couple of hundred years
thing you know you think of where we were in the oceans a little over 100 years ago we the first
a very wonderful man named peter davenport who's run it for years and uh they've got a hundred thousand
or more cases there that he's collected going back many many years so that's that's important uh mufon
talk you'll get navy stories from some navy guy like 20 30 or more years after they retire when
gargantuan size objects that have been reported over over the years you wonder like what are they doing
a hard way to put it so years after the fact it comes these stories will come out you know in
years some very bizarre cases of uh like human mutilation type cases um that he was looking into
i think i you know started this 30 years ago thinking i'm gonna go down this rabbit hole for a
deck of the ship by the way so fast forward about 150 years to 1971 okay this is going into my next volume
greer 25 years ago and it's rep it's in greer's book disclosure which he wrote back then and he his
a lot of anecdotal information in mexico i have uh you know we spoke to a couple of years ago a gentleman
mean i've spent 30 plus years and i'm not one of them right i've tried right i try to get a handle
could if that can exist knowing that right about 15 16 years ago i think i coined a phrase which is
hundred years we like to think that we have this democracy of some sort where everyone's participating
information that let's go go back to ufos i mean uh 15 years ago i co-authored a really a cool book
it rock our world if it were to happen and it feels like a different lifetime and 15 years ago 2010 was a
in fact i did a i wrote a little tv series for gaia television um number of years ago on the history
this now like people like hal put off i've known hal put off for over 25 years i admire and respect him
you go by for me because i wrote about him over 15 years ago in one of my books and it was really
of the consistency of what he said over a number of years the fact that i never felt he
during those years i have a tremendous regard for george so um i ended up you know this is how i made my
and i'll see you know they had this kind of conversation and a couple of years go by and
i don't think so no we're not going to be like that i'm not and you're not maybe a thousand years from
they existed in total secrecy for over 30 years yeah uh the nsa you know jokingly referred to as no
agency its existence was classified for many years and i remember i i was friends with a congressional
aide 15 plus years ago i don't think he's alive anymore but he he told me like he's he was interested
uh a couple of years ago i think it might have been it might have been the first extended interview
institute who was for many years on the short list of you know dod secretaries and things like that
knowledge sphere over many years go back to the 1950s this is a period i've studied a lot
years i've seen that and uh and i believe in that i believe in realism when it comes to global politics