as the nazi ufo guy okay like that was really his original training yeah was in um what's it called
a really highly intelligent man of course and he got into studying the nazi ufo connection and looking
open to an extraterrestrial interpretation of the ufo phenomenon over time because like in the early
secret which is kind of a classic in the ufo field and uh it was the subtitle of that book that really
caught my attention the worldwide ufo cover-up and i was like oh wow it's like it's 1994 and
ufos departments that i was looking into and uh ufo connections there and i thought you know this is
there were claims that there was a very big ufo cover-up going on by then and these were not
a member of a ufo organization called nikep in the in the 1950s until he clearly under pressure
in the ufo community to poison the well of the ufo community because they knew there were soviet spies
espionage and there's definitely the attempt to muddy the waters of the ufo community but the question
the secrecy of the ufo subject at that time one was as we mentioned the release of documents of
other problem was this was when ufo crash retrievals were starting to become a thing in researchers it's
and so he started to publish his research bit by bit you know in these tiny little ufo journals that no
doubt but uh the ufo subject which is the one that i'm most interested in i think definitely
of uh ufo information to serve their needs or what i believe is we're looking at a factional struggle
put up a an image of a what was supposed to be a ufo and oh looted yeah yeah it was very quickly uh
looked like it looked like a white ufo with a shadow below like if it could look like that when i looked
we're sleeping pulled up here yeah i touched the ufo that's 12 days ago wow yeah yeah so anyway we had
never in all of the history of ufo research and that's this is something i can speak very
this roller coaster of emotions on the ufo topic from being a i get burnt out on it super easily
yeah i get like this ufo fatigue um and then i also go back and forth between like is it really
websites where there's a lot of information so one is the national ufo reporting center that's run by
the mutual ufo network has a database which i was they graciously allowed me to use their database
national ufo reporting center from 2017 it's not that long ago a uh guy operating on a rig
similar accounts with football field really yeah also not just usos but you get ufo cases of
we've got mufon we've got the national ufo reporting center and so we're able to get these other
says there's all kinds of like ufo stuff going on out there especially like in the water like uso type
case of like a ufo like stopping a nuclear submarine or something or interacting with like a big nuclear
but could you develop i i asked myself based on ufo tech that is kept secret
reveal of this whole ufo uap subject like a true reveal is highly highly destabilizing really too
trouble among some ufo researchers because i was uh an early 9 11 conspiracy guy were you absolutely i
going to be right to a certain extent think of i think of the ufo reality as a mountain right
you're dealing with i mean by its very nature the ufo let me just keep saying ufo because i'm so used
right the ufo whether it be abduction or a sighting or anything that's like there's no solid evidence
know for a fact well one i mean this isn't a ufo incident but this was the davis wilson notes that
bahamas that was specifically in charge of tracking some of this stuff this underwater ufo stuff do you
uh national underwater um forget the acronym there's a a brilliant uh uf uh ufo podcaster on youtube uh
could believe it yeah i've had uh i've been reading a lot of ufo researchers who have various takes on
i i don't think there's any reason to doubt that and that's an extraordinary ufo the org stuff uh there
who knew him you know he was this guy who had just gotten into the ufo field yeah um medical doctor
if need be and there's always been very high paranoia within the ufo community
think they're an op and they work for this organization here and the fact is when you look at the ufo