the way yeah i think um when me when i had jesse michaelson here he was i think he told me that
little over a week ago i think jesse michael put out his harold maumgren interview how harold maumgren
with jesse when you get it i mean everyone's like that up we're so busy no one has time but that is a
grush talked about this right grush talked about it malmgren malmgren in his interview with jesse
screwed my mind up was um the guy who went on jesse michael's podcast who was talking about
and i jesse michael's great podcast it's the herrera it's basically the herrera story yeah right he i mean
thing sure i think he got a kind of he so yeah so jesse brought up brought that up about the human
about it with jesse when he was on here that there was a decommissioned i think it was a navy base in the
um steve if you pull up the podcast i did with jesse it's in the timestamps i think it's its own
little i've learned a few things jesse may know more than i do i don't know i have to have to hear
listening i i'm a big admirer of his yeah jesse's had jesse's had him on yes highly highly intelligent