And now we're releasing this virtual model of extended electrodynamics, which you could say people like Starbacher were probably looking into in the 50s because these are sort of microwave really extremely high up the electromagnetic scale, you know, very short wave lengths.
In back in the 50s and Bill is his head of material science and has been since the beginning of foundation at that point.
Uh Laurie's story is this is back in the 50s 54 where I think it was
It's the 50s