In back in the 50s and Bill is his head of material science and has been since the beginning of foundation at that point.
But I don't get he doesn't get a report from the lab I get a call from bill Mallow about it.
Bill says I've got your piece of your sliver of the implant.
Oh listen I studied a lot of them with Bill I mean Bill and I became close friends and we studied lots of the ones that Roger Lear was producing from here in LA.
It was trying to to reach to communicate with me and failing and that's why it was like that but I didn't know that at the time so I'm in Bill's office.
We're talking about it and suddenly he says your ears turning bright red I said I hear it Bill it's on.
So I think I you know I say to Bill I want to know signal is that well we'll send you some information of course they never do.