Right.
Yeah, totally, man.
He goes, the one other time I've seen this is with Jesse's David Grush video.
Exactly.
And so, you know, who knows if that's like a test and like, you know, they're just sort
of being sia, opt or I don't know.
Thank you, man.
There's incredible.
you know, his life or whatever.
And that's all about like changing one little variable.
I wonder what that does to your brain.
You know what I mean?
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So unlike classical electrodynamics, you don't get the attenuation over space time.
So you can have basically in classical electrodynamics, you just have one electromagnetic wave, a transverse
I had, I had like a 20 minute call with him.
I can't say because I will say anything on any podcast, I'll always be public, but I
want to protect sources.
And the quacky stuff that I'm into, I was trying to keep those separate for many reasons.
But I'm kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as, you know, it's like,
we're struggling to get off the ground.
And I know it.
Start up rocket company.
Yeah.
It's a start up rocket company.
Yeah.
And so I know about Tim Taylor being this NASA mission controller, he uses consciousness
protocols to get rockets off the ground.
And I also know about the history of rocketry where it's like Jack Parsons, the founder of
And basically the American rocket program or Chakowski, the equivalent in Russia or Werner
von Brahlik, all of these guys believed in versions of this.
So I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel.
That's so crazy.
Yeah.
Basically, like in my, you know, in putting my investment hat on, I'm like, I'm a materialist
reductionist.
Like I don't want to bring the woo woo stuff in.
But again, it's, you know, I'm like, if I have access to this guy, I got to, you know,
find a way to meet him.
Pretend I'm not.
Pretend I'm not interested in UFOs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
or something.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like my world got turned upside down when, when, I wish I talked about it after nauseam
are like running out of gas on their planet and they're on their way here.
in the case of, you know, Moundstrom 67, Robert Solis, 64, Vandenberg.
You have a Nukes wrapping around in Atlas V, Delmi Missile and taking it out of the sky.
like she suffocated.
This was like a week after they got a divorce.
But in discrediting him, if he ever decides to spill the beans.
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I mean, I will say what, you know, you know the concept of Lindy.
And they almost patterned match one to one in terms of, you know, the actual story.
It's like somebody comes down.
Yeah.
But like, he, the thing about Alex Jones, a lot of people don't realize is that he throws
page you write is like contrives.
It's coming from your like prefrontal cortex, like this intellectual thing and then boom,
Yeah.
Oh, you're talking about Jacques Vallet saying that's a lot of part of it.
know, explain that.
Well, the demon thing is interesting when you look at the Virginia Brazil case with the
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if you like have like a theory there.
Have you, so have you read all Whitley's books or just read?
No, I've just read Communion.
What was going on?
I think I talked, I don't know if I remember if I asked him about that in the podcast.
Like me too, sure.
Yeah, yeah.
secrecy, you know, we're like way ahead of like China and Russia on like retrieving this
stuff to begin with.
do here.
And I think my hope is there are people on the inside who are a little more like, we need
more insight into it and understanding more about the universe and keeping that shit
from the US.
Right.
Turns it to like a breakaway stop.
Reckway military.
Right.
Go away military.
Go away.
It's not a country.
Well, I did.
Well, it's like a company that's more powerful than any country, you know?
I did find it very interesting that like Matthew Libblesberger that Green Beret, he blows
up a cyber truck in front of Trump towers.
So it's like this weird message or something.
Symbolic.
Yeah.
Felt kind of symbolic like some sort of meme warfare thing.
And then the email he sends to Sam Schumat who goes on Sean Ryan is all about Chinese
grvitic propulsion drones, which I think is China is not flying with impunity with,
you know, electrogravity propulsion.
Like that's game over, right?
Like that's like we're in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
It's been going on for three months or what.
I like that.
It's not that.
But maybe it's sort of a little bit of a shot across the bow, depending on what was
what force was behind that because clearly he was dealing with a lot of trauma PTSD.
You know, I think was like a good guy in his private life, but like what leads somebody
Right.
Okay.
Atlantic magazine.
That wasn't a commsling failure, so that's my bad.
But I think they were getting ready for the eagles to win the Super Bowl, so they had
Mike, you know, Mike Benz is reporting on all this like USAID, like, you know, backchannel
shit with like every legacy media.
Yeah.
You know, I was like these, these, these states don't understand, these red states don't
We spent his whole life studying archaeology, reading the boring books, doing the boring
shit, traveling all over, digging through the mud and pulling stuff out his whole life.
of like a riff between these two groups and just like combine that with the way modern
media works.
where it's like one side has a data set.
And the other side just won't agree that the data set is legitimate.
Like he was the got the disclosure project was for the last 20 years.
And he had done a version of this two decades prior in 2001, I think.
And it was with a lot of really impressive, amazing whistleblowers.
Yeah, exactly.
I got to write you.
there's also like a thing when somebody has,
you know, has all the answers to everything.
like eight or nine people to Indonesia.
And Indonesia is a disaster zone.
left people were left handed.
They were attracting stuff in the jungle of Indonesia.
That's why the, the black craft was there.
So yeah, I don't know.
I don't know the kind of ground truth on that.
and you got that kind of history channel thing.
But like, yeah, it's produced.
see if there was contamination.
on the like surface level details of it.
And then where you mean by that, what do you mean
Latin.
Oh, Latin.
Because what you see will be an excavation
of what's inside of you.
it's a classic myth.
And I think it's not just myth, I think it's very real.
You are seeing this table, right?
Because you need to instantly categorize things.
So the idea that we are seeing ground reality is crazy.
And then the idea that physics is the end of history
is also crazy.
Like our consciousness definitely plays a part in what we're seeing.
You say you experience synchronisities all the time.
You're basically admitting that your personal epistemology
is out of step with the Western materialist dogma.
You're admitting that and saying that.
And maybe you're saying,
I don't know, it could be like pattern matching
of my mind or whatever.
But if you like get down to it with most people,
they're like, yeah, a bunch of shit happened to me.
That's like beyond chance and probability.
And there's probably something with your consciousness
that affects the material world or whatever.
So I think it's not beyond the pale to say,
like if you want to experience something paranormal,
you probably will.
If you like do certain things and doing that
in a reckless way is very bad.
And doing that honestly, it's the whole issue,
I think with the UFO thing,
like the whole context of this conversation
is around weaponization of this stuff.
Right.
And so I think, yeah.
You have eight million species on earth and you have like 20 upright hominid, exactly.
And then we have 20 billion, you know, earth-like planets in the Milky Way galaxy.
out into the universe to find another planet or whatever, he's like 20 years of their
So by like, so like 20 years into their trip, we would have figured out technology on Earth
And like he's like, he's like 20 years into their trip, we're going to have people from
And then in quantum stuff, I don't think we quite understand time.
We take it as like this formal axiom intrudengers equation, but it's actually kind of really
I don't know if you can do that deliberately.
That seems like maybe like beyond human coordination abilities.
And you know, here we are, like trying to like, you know, guard the simulation.
And like make sure you're not going to like mess anything up in a big way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And as soon as he said, you know, hey, I want to get into the anti-gravity stuff, the line
went dark.
I don't know.
Total black box to me.
The thing, the question that that gets, which I think is really important that we should
all question is like you hear that we only have, I don't know, 10 to 15 UFOs in our possession.
And I, I think that's just a truism, especially in this topic.
And then what do you make of all like the infighting of all these people?
Other people I've interviewed that I suspect have ulterior motives.
I don't call out those ulterior motives because I'm in enough danger seeking truth.
Yeah, for sure.
Like I don't think like everybody in government's like a bad person or like I'm like, it's
Like the opportunity cost involved in like, like going after UFOs.
Like, I managed like nine figures of capital.
more qualitative and not quantitative analysis and I'll do a deal.
But it's like, I was deploying much more money three years ago than I am now.
Maybe that's sort of like a mining process.
But then you look at like, you know, scapegoating cycles, like pagan scapegoating cycles and like,
And it was around a time in my life where I was experiencing a lot of kind of like
interesting synchronicities and like things would kind of pop into, you know, that was
That was either 20 or 2021, either late 2020 or early 2021.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a, it came off of the horizon.
It was like a little ball of light came up off the horizon where the water met the, the
Like what he's doing is absolutely legit and real.
I don't know how to explain it.
Yeah.
And then like the tractors would say that like maybe he said
And I'm showing them the stats,
like the click through rate and average view duration.
They're like, we've never seen anything this high.
Like what the fuck?
And like you watch it and it's like very watchable.
And it's just in pot here.
We're going through right now.
It's like we're searching David with a C.
Is that it?
But go to David, David GR USCH.
Have you seen it before though?
Uh, I don't know.
Search, go down.
Look there it is.
That looks good.
We're back, baby.
It definitely was it.
And like I have an email chain with Google about.
Sonar wasn't.
So like I have the receipts that it was unsearchable.
This happened to my Whitley Strieber episode two
but only for the first two weeks.
Okay.
After the first two weeks, they put it back.
Well, also go on incognito.
I do want to see if it's the same because open up in just because you've seen the video.
Open up an incognito browse.
Yeah, new private window, yeah, whatever.
But you're saying that it can come off.
Get off brave, get off brave, go to go to Chrome.
Yeah, sometimes what they'll do is they'll make it invisible on search for the first
So it's not as relevant.
But yeah, scroll down.
That's wild man.
They're not breaking rules.
And like when they're like, yeah, we're getting throttled like I'm like, I don't know.
And that's what they're in like.
He was in all this stuff.
He's awesome.
Yeah.
and giving him stuff that was created by DARPA.
Like it's all connected to DARPA and SAIC and like all this crazy military industrial
finding a need that the government has a government who has billions of dollars in resources
to invest in this stuff, find a way to do it better.
Yeah, and you know, I think they are responsible for a lot of you know big threats to the
US you know going down and I think that's a pretty good thing.
Okay.
And it does she makes all sorts of amazing connections.
A hundred percent.
Anybody at a certain level of power, unless it's like the Circus O'Lady who was like, you
All right.
Goodbye, everybody.