It's completely, to me, the real world is the unseen world where there's no time.
I think we're in some sort of matrix here where we experience time from the physical body,
it sounds like that really, I don't know if a major faith is stronger
or just brought you to faith in general, but strong.
So you were always a Christian.
I was, yeah, my wife's been, I was a deacon in the Pentecostal and his church.
I was raised in the Baptist church.
And I married my wife 42 years ago.
Congratulations.
I was still in love and happy.
And she says, you're going to marry me, you're going to go to church with me.
You're not going to drink and all that.
So I agreed.
I was 20 years old, 21 and we got married.
I joined the Pentecostal church.
I became a deacon in the church.
And then I ran into trouble when I had this experience with the UFO
and that created some problems for me.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Interesting.
So did you come to faith because of your wife?
When I was a little boy, my neighbors, I lived out in the country,
So that was my life until we had the third baby.
When the third baby come along, I had to make a decision.
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It's when your partner thoughtfully listens or anticipates your needs.
So we pulled up, parked.
If I can give you an idea where we were, Kate for a river.
My thoughts, I broke.
How can I support my children?
that I've gotten frightened.
I sit there longing out that it's really frightened me bad.
He wanted to know more what happened to him.
And so what happened was where he was at the back of that cold assack.
He was frozen.
And I don't know if they had the power to keep him from him.
an orb which I know what it was.
It was one of those beings.
My truck's six feet from the front door.
Headlights blurring in.
Did it look solid or did it look, it on our translucent?
It looked.
and it went up and over.
When it came over the truck, it cleared the trees behind me.
One of them lived or two of them lived side by side about two and a half miles away.
The other one lived about six miles away, seven miles.
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She's in, she's in good hands.
And so I take these guys home, right?
He closed the door and locked even the bathroom.
And he turned the lights on and ran.
But they will do this on a bear sometimes.
It looked like a four-year-old child about that size.
It didn't look like a gray alien or none of that, but people report.
About that time, Rosie comes on through and this thing vanishes in front of me and
sees it anymore.
It was completely gone.
I've been to Chapel Hill University.
And now I'm kind of, I'm in shock basically myself, but not because of seeing this stuff
and trying to process it.
So I had the weight of the whole conference only, not just some local church down the street.
So there was a lot of power there.
before you look. Interesting. Yeah, seriously. You had mentioned, I believe you had two
friend and my first cousin grabbed shotgun and took off about a mile away, three quarters of a mile.
We walked to the back of a cornfield and we spread out and we were going to shoot ducks, right? It's
claim that he shot the bird, right? And ran across the field behind me. I didn't know he was there.
ran up right behind me and when I reached over to pick that shell off, he was going to shoot over
him and he'd shoot that bird claim. Kids, when I stood up, it hit me right square and right here in
the shoulder, blew a hole this big. I have a scar that big on my back. Now imagine a 10-year-old,
I was only this tall. It felt like a sledgehammer hit me. It drove me about 10 feet forward and
faced down in the forest. And the first thing I felt blood running everywhere. And I said,
why did you shoot me? And now my cousins come across the field and they're fighting. They're screaming
at one another. Go get help. He's my cousin. I'm staying with him. He's my best friend. I almost
said, that's what they were doing. I'm laying there bleeding at it. And so the farmer heard them
fighting. And here he comes down that cornfield. An old pickup truck. It was blue and white
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It later showed up after 2007. This was in 04 and 05. 07, when this thing happened,
glossy gleaming brilliant. And there's a description at Daniel Gain, chapter 10,
that's what I was referring to. So the, so Johnny, Johnny, he looked like a little person.
started mocking my family. And this is after the 07 incident. And it turned into five years of what I
call in the book, five years of darkness from 27 to 2012. When that 2012 game, everything changed.
Emily, she's the only girl, he's the baby. And now they're being told by the church, your dad is
And suddenly this figure hands me something. As far out as this sounds, I'm telling you, this sounds
crazy. It took me two weeks to tell it because I'm they all live in the crazy end. And I
just hug him. So when I went to leave, I reached out and hugged at one o'clock. His mom asked me to
stay tonight. And I said, no, I've got a hotel down and the guy that brought me there, he's reading
the book, sitting in the back room, right? He stayed with me. And one o'clock in the morning,
his mom, Cosmin, says he's eaten, he's eaten a second plate.
And so this was the next morning, that night at one o'clock, I left at one thirty, his mom called me
and said, he's eaten two plates for 30 minutes later. And what's this kid's name?
Well, to be respectful of the family, I'd rotate that off camera, right? But
his person named Brandon. Where are you still in touch with him? Yeah, he was at my house. I just spent
last Memorial Day, Jim from the CIA, Deputy Director of all of me, Brandon's now twenty one or two
years old. And he's going off to exchange school overseas and he'd never been away from home,
only tell them what I'm experiencing right now with my family. This is just a moment for me.
I will try. How many people have you saved?
toward arthritis. The same thing you got. And so there's a lot of, I've got all the photos and stuff
of that. You can see they they had a ceremony in my honor. They put my picture in the Pope's picture
or any of that. I'm just a simple guy that had a miraculous experience that continues to this day.
And with all the government, with all the government contact and studying and the Vatican
I fear my children and these crazy people that just can't get a hold of their whatever they're doing.
I'm 63 almost 63 years old. I've been to 11 or 12 presidents and people my age