a great human being.
And also, I was with Brandon Fugel about a month ago and went and toured.
He gave me a private tour of Skim Walker Ranch and I told him that me and you were potentially
doing an interview and he got really excited about that and told me a little bit about
Well, everybody starts with a introduction.
So Chris, blood so you had a life changing UFO experience in 2007 after the financial
And since then you're a UFO experience.
So I have a lot of questions.
But and then we have a Patreon account.
quest, each guest a question.
Is it a soul departure or rebirth or finality as your true being dies?
And it's a cycle.
And I've been able to experience that and have shared it with a lot of others.
Here's a question that just came to mind on the subject.
And so is this a, do you think consciousness is one big collective?
I think it's like a wireless internet, basically.
I have a couple that are pretty interesting where it talks about the green light.
This is how you're able to do a lot of that kind of stuff
This consciousness around us is, it's like a wireless network.
which we'll dive into here in just a couple of minutes,
it sounds like that really, I don't know if a major faith is stronger
So you were always a Christian.
I was, yeah, my wife's been, I was a deacon in the Pentecostal and his church.
I became a deacon in the church.
You had to make a deal?
When I was a little boy, my neighbors, I lived out in the country,
I was born on a farm, right?
My dad was a carpenter.
And hey, and you know, sometimes on a dairy farm,
We had a little 1700s church that was in the Civil War.
It was a hospital, since old, dirt driveway is still there.
I was actually a commercial pilot.
It was to be a pilot.
I swore I wouldn't going to be a carpenter.
So my wife encouraged me when we got married to get into a plane and I did and I studied
When the third baby come along, I had to make a decision.
Do I become a dad that sees my kids two days a week?
And basically not a part of their lives or do I want my children to love their dad.
We built 100 a year, 120 houses.
And I saw it all, a slow motion train wreck coming because back in those days, it interests
What happened, I had $100,000 a month going out in interest and overhead.
And so I'd never thought about a UFO.
I'm in the restroom 25 times or 20 times a day.
Well, before we get into the incident, everybody on the show gets a gift.
And therefore a year, there's a part there that is in my book.
So I'm recovering from this, this disaster in a fire.
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Now I'm living in a mobile home and I'm having to apply for free lunch for my kids.
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So I looked after a house for four months late 2006 and it was finished up just before
Christmas, but we had a punch list to do.
Just bring a check when you get done.
Would you take a fish in?
We had to go down in the woods to a river bottom, right?
If I can give you an idea where we were, Kate for a river.
It's not a big river.
And the main road, if you come up on a big field on the left, there's a two-road road that
When you get to the wood line, there's a gate and it goes downhill 100 feet to the river
by the eighth of a mile.
And then you make a right and you end up in a cul-de-sac, another eighth of a mile.
This Crohn's disease is a terrible thing.
And then the very back of it is where I had walked down in along the river to a gully and
I sat beside a tree until about four o'clock.
it didn't have a flashlight.
I walked right up to these guys and they were a sun, a Christian, and these men.
Let's get a fire going.
We got a fire going right on the river bank and it was about ten after five now.
And I said, we had a day light still.
So I was born and raised a hunter.
With shot point blank in the back, with a shot gun at ten, little hole in me this big right
I thought it was a deer to start with.
And I'm looking up at a sky that I thought the sun was still about to top of the trees
But I couldn't tell because I'm looking up hill at a metal gate, cattle gate at the top
And it's a long haul up there, got 100 feet to go up and it's rough, muddy, rough and
And I wanted to tell you that because it'll come back in the picture here in a second.
Yeah, over just, you know, I got a gate.
I'm looking up at a gate, a metal gate.
It kind of frightened me a second, but I'm curious.
And there's a second one right beside it.
So I automatically knew what I'm looking at wasn't a helicopter,
So I made a plan to run and I turned my body.
And when I did straight above me, a third one appeared and went shot right down
And that's a different feeling.
You know, somebody can see a ball of light fly by, oh my God, I saw you a foe.
a rat, a lab rat or I was, you know, I'm in trouble.
Fire is burned down to a little small fire.
They couldn't see me coming because I didn't have a flashlight.
It was a lot of trouble after that.
That he went through and we'll talk more about that in a second.
He's a baby.
So it was a quarter mile.
And he got a set in the fire.
Like military, they used to have a military flashlight.
It had a red on it, right?
and a half, three feet tall.
So he was gone a total of two hours.
a shot.
And they went out away from one another and they came back in a circle and they made this
big circle and they were putting on a shove.
They were up on the other side of it in a cut down.
Their eyes from a distance looked like a little ball of light.
So it's a hundred and 150 yards away.
It's set and it looks like a football now.
It's hovering about five feet off the ground and it looks like an egg or a football.
one of these country boys had pulled out a shotgun and they were shooting at this thing.
They had a phone.
I didn't have a cell phone.
I kind of shot it with a homemade slingshot and it hit this thing.
But at a distance, it looked like an egg.
But it was definitely shifted from a red ball of fire to a football or an egg or a tick
It moved up and over a tree in front of me.
It was a tree.
One of them lived or two of them lived side by side about two and a half miles away.
and a half miles, right?
Halfway there is a dead man's curve.
I mean, it's a short curve.
It's like if you go through it at 35, you're having a hard time.
It was a weird thing.
And my neighbor, friend, growing up, we had a hunting club out in the middle of nowhere.
They'd have a keg party or whatever and I'd go hunting and they all called me.
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And so I lived a long time stressed over that.
So I'm in a different world from them, right?
I thought it was a helicopter because it was coming
He had a hundred at the time when I'm growing up
And they're all, these old hounds got a loud mouth
knows what a dog say.
And he had a double car, separate garage next to the kennel.
I said, dad, I said, a jitter will use a flat.
We won't use a flashlight.
at a 110 pound Chesapeake Bay retriever
We walked across the lawn to a two-room road
in a kennel barking as hard as they can
I said, gender, I said, it must be a bear.
But they will do this on a bear sometimes.
We made a plan and we're going to hide behind this giant oak tree
We had to go to the end of that road, make a left
There's a big yard.
And I just knew it would be a bear or deer or something.
it was to grass was a little, now we got frost, right?
He pulled a loose from me.
So I thought I'd just pulled away from him when I slipped a little bit.
He took a right, went back to the house.
And so I turned around after about a few seconds of stopping and painting.
And when I did, there was a little,
It looked like a child.
It looked like a four-year-old child about that size.
It didn't look like a gray alien or none of that, but people report.
It looked like a glowing little child.
The body looked like a glass on it.
NRA was a different story.
He's a director of operations for the CIA.
So I compared myself to Richard Dreyfus on closing counters at a third kind,
She came home a couple of days later.
So there was a lot of power there.
So yeah, that started a really hard time.
This is why one thing I can promise you, if you're a God-fearing man and you know the Bible,
and to, I've seen it a thousand times.
But they can appear in a group of 50 people standing beside me,
everybody else. I've seen it a thousand times. It knows how to, it knows where you're going to look
near-death experiences before the syncedom, at age 10, 10. I was shot, point blank, with a shotgun.
And so it was fixed the roads on Saturday and cook a hog. So we got all these men as part of the
friend and my first cousin grabbed shotgun and took off about a mile away, three quarters of a mile.
We walked to the back of a cornfield and we spread out and we were going to shoot ducks, right? It's
across the field, walking a double-birl shotgun in my hand. I walked up to the edge of the woods and
I saw them in their inner poly briars, fluttering around. I thought I better put a shell in my gun.
the shoulder, blew a hole this big. I have a scar that big on my back. Now imagine a 10-year-old,
I was only this tall. It felt like a sledgehammer hit me. It drove me about 10 feet forward and
forward from the 60s. And he runs in the woods, picks me up like a sack of potatoes and threw me in his truck.
in total peace. I wasn't cold. I wasn't afraid. I was just at a marvel looking at all this. And then
is in the book. There's a whole lot in this book. I've not covered. I've glossed over.
house I had rentals. That a lot of just to pay interest. And we sold the business to a really
big builder from North Carolina. It builds 1,500 homes a year. And my doctor is trading me. He's like,
Today, it's wonderful. Joyful. It's a different world today, but there's old memories or tough.
He said, look, there's a new study out. There's this anti-depressant medicine called Paxle that
and so he puts me on Paxle. He tells me I should probably have somebody to talk to. He sends me to a
He was smoking a cigarette and laughing and talking to me. He only spent five minutes with me. He
He didn't take me off that. He added more toy. He just added a couple prescriptions. He said,
take this and come back five days or next week, it's seven days, every week. I had to go back once a week.
I woke up in the hospital. I was laying on a stretcher completely covered from head to toe.
Three doctors walked into the room and she was crying. And I never forget I heard a doctor's name,
This has happened. This is in the book. And in a while, it's like getting shot. I didn't want that.
I didn't ask for it. It just happened. Now here it is. Somebody else is a, this poisoning or
I mean, there's a lot in this book that I've been through from third degree burns, catching on
fire when I was two years old. I have big scars up my legs. So a brand new friend's them in 79
with third degree burns from my neck out to this arm. I had skin grafts, a brand new car. So I
recovering. Yeah. All right, Chris, well, let's take a quick break and then we'll move on to what
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the nature of sin, and the consequences of sin on both a family and a nation. Their online
when I was 10 years old, when that happened to me, it was so traumatic. I grew up with a gun in my
hand. I was old. It was just part of being where I was raised. 10 years old, I'm getting a gun
and got shot. My whole life changed to a different perspective. I didn't realize it until this event
happened in 2007, but I can look back. I write about this in the book. A lot of things, in other words,
completely gotten off all that. It took a long time to get back to where I felt halfway normal.
Even had a name for Johnny is what I called it. My kids were saying they were laughed. They thought
Not in detail. Other than it, I knew it was there watching over me. It wasn't a scary thing. It
because I'd just come through it near death. That eventually faded away after a few months,
because we'd sold out and lost everything, given from a big house to a mobile home.
We were at the mobile home. We pre-stored it. It was an old one I had as a rental property.
night, 9.30. A couple of the guys smoking went outside to smoke, and eventually I went outside to
put it there, there is a football field along glowing cigar, maybe two-odd feet above the lot,
What, could you be a little more descriptive of what the being looked like?
Yeah, it looked like a four-year-old child. A four-year-old?
Four-year-old. About like a three-four-year-old, a toddler, not much more than three-peat tall,
glowing softly like the color of the moon with these red eyes, and it had a triangle.
on its chest right here. And that turned out to be a pretty big symbol for some people in the
government. What is that symbol? Well, there's one right here from NASA. That's a triangle
glossy gleaming brilliant. And there's a description at Daniel Gain, chapter 10,
Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. How many times, I mean, now, and I've got a lot of questions.
How many interactions a day would you have with this? Well, I say today is more than ever.
and it was, they had my wife leaving it's demonic. And for a long time, which is understandable
when you're raising a church, you know, they all say this is demonic. Well, they don't know. They
you're questioning, but it immediately followed me home. And these orbs would appear, a ball of light
It looks like a human, same size and all. This is, this is before, now this is right after the event,
about when I come out the hospital for a few months there, I kept seeing this little being. It didn't
have red eyes. It looked like a person, a little small person, but it floated about it. Okay,
that's what I was referring to. So the, so Johnny, Johnny, he looked like a little person.
There's a little, and he had a triangle. No. The one and the river that that scared Chris Jr.
in 2007. The one that night that I saw was, this looked like Johnny. Johnny looked like a,
Johnny, so Johnny was not glowing. It looked like a little, a, a small person, but it didn't look.
Could you differentiate between a regular three year old, four year old child and yes,
a doctor put me on. So what, what did you think that was? I thought it was a guardian angel.
Right away. You thought it was a guardian angel, and the entire family's stuff that it was
in a five. What were they filming me ever recording interacting with interacting? Yeah. So,
can I have access to any of that film? I had to get my wife to dig it up, but she has a lot of
was a guardian angel and that it had your best, best interest? The way it was talking to me,
to be fine. You know, I just come through a hard time and I'm still sick. I'm still with
Crohn's. I'm still really bad shape. And, and then you got shot with basically like shot with a
brief. It would appear and it won't be there long. It would be there, you know, just a little bit.
It's a few seconds or long enough to maybe have you a minute and then it was gone. It would just
demonic. It's really happening to this guy, but he's bringing a devil into his house. This is what
late 2005, I'd say is when it ended, I didn't see it anymore. And then a year later, remember,
all in the same thing. There's a lot of different things that can appear around you. It can
he's crazy like his dad. Yeah, I run an 18 million dollar, 20 million dollar, you're a company.
And I've went through a terrible time with sickness and a doctor and I come out there on the
won't drink an alcohol. None of that. And here everybody started that. And then with a few months or
was a big triangle thing in front of the car flying right down into front of us, you know, following
happened. 10 months later, October, I saw on the television a show called UFO files. And there
was this by Staten Freeman, a physicist on there. And he's talking about UFOs. I'd never seen any of
and I wrote them. What is move on Stanford? The mutual UFO network is where is a data, so investigation
okay, saying that people report sightings to and a pretty big outfit international right. So
that's to go to if you have a sighting, you go to move on. I'd never heard of until I saw it on
about then it's been a year now. I can't function. My head had some kind of block
a local investigator from Raleigh, worked her own, and he came in there and asked when my wife said,
talked about the UFO thing, but she'd been seeing these in the house and got shoved a couple of
a daughter, she was 10 years old then, Ryan was 13. Jeremy, he was 15, Christian was 17,
So it was a horrible place to be when the whole community come down on us there.
catching a fit. Let me back up. In 2007, I reported it, 2008, the investigator calm, and immediately
they saw me on doing a show on Discovery Channel. You got to do it, we'll vindicate you. You do
this show, everybody will believe you. So I agreed to it. I had a big junior to take,
they had a guy from the FBI there with a lot of technical things set up and cameras pointing at it,
nightmare, but NASA shows up a friend from NASA, Dr. Hal Pog and my friend. Well, he's a friend,
he's like a, he wasn't a friend then. No, I don't know him. In fact, my son Ryan calls me death.
And so how new then that this was real? And he, he, he, he became like a father figure. He
Through a clock in the morning, I hear the same voice, the same little being that's sputting me and
she said, I'm here to help you. Not hurt you. I heard that same voice. And it's something like a man
really deep. And it said a rise. That's all I heard that quick word a rise. And it was so deep.
my bed and it's dark. I can't see. And there was three o'clock on my other back then we had a
clock alarm clock. And it said three a.m. Next thing I know I see movement in the room, whatever they
this object. And it felt like a living creature, like a squirrel maybe or or something that size.
But I couldn't see if you'll legs or head. It felt just like a tube, but furry and kind of prickly.
It was right straight in front of me. A blast air hits me and blew me over the wind.
to breath the God. So I had to put this in there. But it was the wind. A physical force blew me
over. And as I hit backwards on the ground, I saw what appeared to be a translucent cow, a bull
a blast air next to the woods hits me and out of that wind when the wind hit me and blew me
over with that wind was a translucent cow or bull. A big one went over me and it didn't hurt me.
I'll get stuff really strange. I'll get back to this in a minute, right?
Of something I just saw discovered with a guy that studies Egypt, Dr. Robert Grant.
He discovered that bull inside the King's Chamber. There's never been a inscription in that pyramid
behind me is no cow anymore. There's a woman there. She's about three feet off the ground. She's
glowing. She's just color the moon. There's a circle of light on the ground. And she looks at me and
So help me. I never had a picture of anything for the previous five years. Only inside the house
what was it that you were handed? I've heard I've been asked that a million times. I don't know.
It was like a living creature. It was living. It was moving around. It was, but it had no head or legs.
It felt like if you had a squirrel in your hand or hedgehog at prickly, it felt like it was living,
but it had no head or tail. And I asked the lady what this was. And she taught me it was a
Exactly. And she told me a lot of stuff that I never revealed to this day. I haven't
revealed a whole lot of it because I don't want to sound like a prophet or any of that. I just don't.
do. What did the figure look like that handed you the object? It was a shadowy being like a shadow
being. So when you see these, you see this shadow of a human figure, but you can't really see
the details. It's like a shadow. It's like a ghost, you might say. And I have pictures of
I have pictures of these little beings and they look like ghosts. I have a picture. I have a video
Yeah. I'll give you one. It's six foot tall, seven foot tall. And when it did that night, a young
you think I had a clue? Remedior. You worked with Robert Grant? Robert Grant is who I was with
less in contact with Dazard a couple months back. And Robert was showing the oculus to me about
And their biggest daylight is a bull on the side of the wall in the King's chamber. It only
can see it what this technology has and the stars are inside. And above it is a helix, a DNA.
And then only stercophagus in the King's chamber is the alpha and a mega symbol.
What do you think that represents? Well, apagome mega is a god beginning in the end. The bull
Probadi, and every culture on every continent, they all have a mother figure, all of them,
in the beginning it was pitta, it was the father, Met was the mother. And then they had a change to
raw and then hathor and then horse. It's just sort of an eternity. They have a triad.
by a bunch of men in 2000 years ago and oppressed all the women, kicked them out and said,
you can't be in the church. Only it's only a boy's club, right? And so from that point forward,
even up in the 60s and 70s, me growing up there was a great oppression on the women.
and my grandson Teddy. Of course, my wife was a little bit scared. She turned her head and ran
orbs together. They'll line up like a triangle. They'll plot through the sky. I said,
well, if I did not give you a video of that, they have multiple videos of that. It's always
So, one of the things that did is in October of 2013. I get a call from a professor moment
about a religious scholar, very famous. He's written several books and he'd probably know
being on a table with multiple instruments and all this stuff, you know, abduction to bad. But
October, I walked outside. I was a smoker then. I was watching TV with my wife. I paused
out a few minutes later and out in the back of our property about a hundred yards back in the
kept canarble, sitting with these guys, half a dozen of them. And that expands into a whole lot more.
stem cell research. And that happened a year later. And what, and I'll tell you what got me there.
wanted to come see it and they started. But I get a phone call in early 23rd Easter, Easter of 2013.
to go see this tree and film it before dark. He's out there to tree. I'm with him. There's a lab
door. A dog is a, a, a, nearly full grown female. They're never side us everywhere. I'd walk,
And when she walks by, and I see blood come out of her neck. And it's shot way out like a stream of blood.
got a hole inside of her neck, crossed her jugular vein that long. And I could stick my finger
at that date and blood just shooting out in a heartbeat. And I had my hand on it. Blood coming up
he filmed it all. And it didn't take long that word got out. Next thing, I get a call from somebody
I said, this is 2014. I said, she lost fourth, stridey the days a second. My kids are coming home
from college. We're going to have a party, you know, for a family. He said, well, I need you in DC.
I said DC. He said, yeah, there's a young boy up there that's really sick.
And they've lost, they've tried everything they can to help him. And he's got to make a wish.
In fact, Barack Obama gave him his make a wish. And we have all the photos of him shaking
And his mom's a doctor, his grandpa's a cardiologist in New York. And they spelled it as they were out
meeting. I had no idea of what I was doing. I had seen a dog miraculously get healed and I didn't
He's got a feed and two, Natalamus. He's not going to live another year.
was a terrible voice. It was like this message came. This telepathic knowing. And I said, it said,
stay tonight. And I said, no, I've got a hotel down and the guy that brought me there, he's reading
his mom, Cosmin, says he's eaten, he's eaten a second plate.
turns thirteen, he's having a bar of misphah. For some, I've ever been to an adjuer celebration,
right? And it was the most amazing thing. This child has given a speech up on in this big church
in New York City on 48th Madison. We're in a basement and everybody does anybody from the Deputy
Director to the Director of Operations, the CIA, and all in between were there. A whole lot
you know, and I'm thinking back, all these people at home, just give me such a hard time. If I could
only tell them what I'm experiencing right now with my family. This is just a moment for me.
The crowd got around me so much to stand in over me and I feel a person grabbed me on the
I put a hand on each shoulder when I did. He went, and he stood up, I said, I
unconscious there. And so that set me on a path that I had no clue. I'd be going down. People,
But, you know, there's a whole lot in my book about different ones that have experienced this,
from cancers gone to just a long list of people that have had blessings from this.
have you been a part of this? Dozens of people. Every day. Every day, I can show you.
Now, I just pray for them. Or, you know, if you know somebody that's sick, they might send me a
God, I never prayed a angel, I prayed a God. And I ask for this help, for this person. And I get
these letters back. I'm a doctor, don't know. And it's for dogs. I had two last months.
publicly because it's going to cause a whole lot more people to come. But it's still part of the story
world. It's not something with teeth and a ray gun coming here to get us. It's connected to our
thoughts. It'll appear a lot when I ask it. And in front of me and you and others, not every time,
but pretty much, pretty much on the time, sometimes 57 the orbs will appear. Sometimes it's a
little fire that'll appear right beside me like a candle. I've seen it. I look over and oh my
God, it's right there. And then it'll shoot off over my head. And a lot of people have seen this.
SCS-19's in my house with their families and have experienced it. You know, a lot. It's a lot of people
to come and all of a sudden hear these lights pop on and they come flying by.
So there's a lot of them wanting to see that and study it and you allow them to do that.
in a data and at night and with a lot of important people, really important, you know, and government
a scientist doing this investigation of this tree. She has a spirit box, she called it. I'd never
heard such a thing. It makes this noise and so supposedly spirits come through and talk.
be here tomorrow next day. And so in a couple days, I was at his house and when I walked into the
door, there was John Alexander. That's when I met him. And immediately we took a tour of
And I began to give details about this couple of terrorists that wanted to explode a bomb
that I was working with from the NRA wanted to be a part. So he was allowed to go with her.
boarbs that are painted on the wall in the Vatican and a message from the Pope that he said,
we know that they're angels and that they don't mean in a harm. But if you get too close to them,
toward arthritis. The same thing you got. And so there's a lot of, I've got all the photos and stuff
of that. You can see they they had a ceremony in my honor. They put my picture in the Pope's picture
Copernicus in the archives to be there forever. So there's a whole lot that's going on from
you are the one? I've been asked that a million times. And I don't like to think I'm the one
or any of that. I'm just a simple guy that had a miraculous experience that continues to this day.
you know, the reason NASA wanted to go to be a part of that, getting into archives, they wanted
to study, levitate and science. Coming as a person can take off and fly to the village next door,
may be possible. But a lot of those writings that got into this more detailed early on were deemed
Mufon came and did the discovery show. They actually sent a guy from the Harvard
and immediately I could think about it and not pass out or have a excruciating headache. So what
while I was gone was a virtual tour. I was inside a bubble. It's not thing that was solid.
what she told me. And I did. And this was on her quest from NASA, a friend at NASA.
when the star of regulus, she called it a red star. When you look at it, it looks blue. She said
would mark a change in humanity's knowledge. And she showed me other things. War, us bomb in our
There'd be a new knowledge. Well, I had no idea if this was even possible, you know,
please do. Well, you know, Louis Elizondo, right? Louis mentioned that day. A lot of people have
Easter of 2026. So the year of 2026, I gave him a specific time. And it was with Robert Grant
event that he knows is going to happen in 2026. I said, Robert is not a Ruby. He's the star of
you're the first. And a million people has asked me this. I think it's entirely possible
They know this lady has been seeing a million times. And when she comes, she's always warning of
solar flare. It's not any of that. It's a dark force because she told me,
And in fact, there's a total opposite of worship the devil. I don't know if there is a devil. I think it's
a very dark force that is living full of dark entities that feed on you parasitically.
they can come in here and light these beings or made of light. The dark force is a parasitic race.
I think that they want to stuff out God. They don't want us to have God in a horror. Why do you think
thing comes from a mud puddle. And it can't happen. It's just not possible. It's just a laugh. It's a joke.
you had some type of an intuition from the very get-go that this was a guardian angel of some type.
Is that close to my spinal column? I'm leaning over a bit. Is that close to the back of my head?
They'd openly talk about it. More to date than I ever. And that's been a problem of censorship
I fear my children and these crazy people that just can't get a hold of their whatever they're doing.
There's a lot behind us saying that we especially, you know, they're hidden, but we all see
something right and there's got to be a cleansing. And the only thing that can change people is God.
and rid the world of evil, and then there'll be a time of peace, a thousand years.
I said a lot. Thank you for sharing that.
A whole lot. 18 years I've never told this or the 17 and a half years. How does it feel to get it out?
Right. Right. I'll get a lot of blowback from this. I promise. I just hope the
world that has been told is to devil can wake up and see that a little bit of heavens come in here to help us.
I'd be honored. I could go deeper, but I think this is a good
because I have a lot more questions, but I know it's been a rough day. Just say the word,
You know, there's been a lot of speculation on
If UFOs are strictly a some type of spiritual entity or if they are nuts and bolts,
if it's both, there's possibility. There's both, but I haven't seen the other side. A whole
is a spiritual thing. It's like magic. They appear out of nowhere. In fact, Tim Berchett made a quote
to resupply and get some gas or something, right. But I can tell you, there's not a reason
because they knew without a doubt. Paul on the road to Damascus says, in a flash of light,
Is it ceremonial? No, it's a thought. I don't have to say a word. I can think it and they come.
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