And so, you know, originally around 45,
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Like, like, you are, it makes sense that you were doing talks at Google.
And I think the pandemic for a lot of people is like this forcing function to like do what you're supposed to do in life.
And I had had that three line of like the toxic Google, the bringing in interesting speakers or whatever in the teal orbit.
And so I viewed the UFO thing as like, this very interesting like glitch in the fabric of reality that point to where we're going next.
And so that just like took me down these crazy rapples.
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As she's saying, like, this will happen when you stop looking for it.
And so like we walk by this guy.
And I, I didn't see that part.
But like, yeah, that was like a really trippy experience where I was like, what the hell was that?
And like, I had felt like, you know, okay, this stuff is real.
And so it wasn't like insanely ontologically shocking.
kept alive if you know you can start to to pull it evidence and and maybe use a lot of circumstantial
things at best to try to tie it to like free mason's or something like that I don't know the answer
should look at some other stuff that I previously wrote off yeah absolutely man yeah well I think
I think you expand your ontological world it like the more you are I think the way the best way
to think and I was talking about this with with Danny she hand too and like you know maybe I'm like
way off on all this stuff so like take this with a grain of salt but like I think the best way to think
is like be radically open-minded to everything when you hear something don't dismiss it a priori
you catalog it as low probability and then when you you just look for corroboration for it you look
for like more and more evidence that it's real and so I think when you do that with like the alien
thing and you look at you know the all the sort of you know this body of religious evidence and you
can dismiss the stuff around religion and say you know it's religious in nature so like it's not
evidence but it's like that's what everybody was like for the last few like few thousand years
it's like the you know the idea that like they're like over 4,000 like flood myths or whatever
it looks like there's so many flood and you can like dismiss that out of hand if you're an
you know I think it's much easier said than not and people get naturally when when when you're
talking about quite literally the meaning of your life it creates a wall with people where to
gonna be insane like people are gonna freak out of the stand on one it's like way back it's like
yeah a couple years ago but um yeah I he should I think he should go on Rogan um can we pull that up
a metallic physical thing it's more at least behind a physical mark yeah so if we're talking
about having actual pieces yeah of something like I'll just call it metal for the sake of calling
these databases around or over 50% of the cases involve literally like hominid creatures so the
likelihood that you're seeing a thing from a random foreign planet that's evolutionary converged
space travelers yeah I tend to I don't know if it's because it it's the most interesting one to
concerned at the same time where we have the power of the nuke yeah and the atom bomb in our hands
and it's not like obviously we we've been talking about history today this stuff goes all the way back
component of this and then there's like the idea that you know gravity and time are super
related you know in general relativity as well and so like maybe maybe you know gravity itself
rather like you need dark matter to like justify gravity's weakness and like dark matters like
maybe indirectly and detectable at best but like not really detectable like it's kind of seems
say like the quantum stuff feels more true and then that you know cause cosmology stuff because that
just feels like all this patchwork we've built up that's again it's like very human kind of
like hyper light drive like faster than light crap or craft that like breaks conservation momentum
and like you know goes at speeds that like you know we could we could never hope for with chemical
about it yes but you don't want you know adversaries knowing anything about it and so like maybe a good
world in that in that you know in that world view or whatever is one in which like you know random
going on there we don't know but there's a book called ufo secrecy in the rob in the fall of
robber j. op and heimer by a guy named donald burlison snare force guy and there are some weird things
quotes like from the kangaroo court is he's he's saying between 45 and 49 a lot happened and he
itself it was 41 through 45 and all the crash all the the lore around ufo crashes 45 through 49
I mean that's like a weird weird universe but buck Rogers is this comic strip at the time
and it's all about like space travel and time travel and so and then the uh uh Gordon gray
and Eisenhower's sort of council around ufo's and he was overseen he was an actual guy he was overseeing
you know this kangaroo court with with Oppenheimer and so there's some interesting possible data points
there and then I'm trying to think of other like like condon who's you know the guy who writes the
protocols for atomic secrecy which gets overlaid onto ufo secrecy he writes the mcman act around
atomic secrecy was 1946 a lot of that language gets used in the atomic energy act of 1954
which creates the atomic energy commission and the DOE and so you have this guy who's he's close
confidant of Oppenheimer this guy you know Edward condon he wrote the first English language textbook
on quantum mechanics he studied with Oppenheimer at gottongin and germany in the 30s he grew up
in alamagordo right next to los alamos and helps piclos alamos as a spot for the Manhattan project
he wrote the los alamos primer which every single employee had to read upon joining uh uh
know overall like very high level you know u.s defense strategy and lou branscomb is this understudy
gas it's you know weird lights whatever balloons balloon weather balloons you know and you know
minimize the stuff through media through narrative and storytelling like it's it's very clear
that could tie all the way to UFOs when we're talking about anti-gravity yeah Oppenheimer may have
either and or known too much or perhaps formulated an opinion behind the scenes that they didn't like
perhaps yeah and this is where it gets into the do you take the side of intel because I mean
I want to fucking know I can handle it right you can handle it but like across the
yeah I think this whole like waiting for this stuff to come out and like being super antsy about like
you know some like you know government disclosure thing like it's it's just like this like amorphous
trying to like gratuitous yeah I care about this country I think like as fucked up as it is and like
as you know all the issues that we were talking about as far as macro economic headwinds and whatever
is that like this has really important civil site like our our infrastructures into K our cities
are like it's just horrible they suck and and and and going downhill despite trillion dollar
are going to die the the other problem that you might encounter at the end of this this is
something we actually get into all the time is even after you proved your case six ways to
because I have no idea and nobody knows has any idea but like are to my knowledge unless I'm
living in some like Truman show the smartest people I know like work at like I don't know like
and like I came out still pretty like pumped because I was like that guy like got a lot of the
fringy shit I was saying so I was like there's some like recognition in his eyes that like I could
rapport I think or maybe three things to like a respect for how far I had gone in like open source
techniques like just like discovering a lot of this stuff on my own where I think yeah you
grush that's total double double standard right there but like second of all you have like
yeah yeah yeah it's a the thing that keeps coming into my head is some of these stories I've
heard from behind the scenes where intel comes in says don't do that yeah and that would
especially considering lezzlies there like that's what I'm thinking especially also given that he
was getting reprisals behind the scenes so people weren't happy about this there's clearly some
sort of internal war war into the government and I don't know if I know the exact fault lines but
it's clear there's some some you know part of the government does not want this out another you
know really really does in a limited sense and over time there's nobody that I think is full
I'd snowed on this I yes and they were talking about this before camera I agree yeah so um I think
it's a war between those two sides I'm I'm definitely on the side of like I again not knowing
ontological truth or whatever and being on the outside uh I'm on the side of like I don't see any
reason I've been given no reasons outside of like these rumors you hear guys like Jeremy Corbell
sometimes it's a little indiscriminate at times or whatever but you're you're idea though that
it's like pieces of the government certain people know certain things about certain topics and
comprehend this stuff and that that's always stuck with me because I do think it's like a it's like
a you know knowledge on this stuff is like a drip but it comes from something higher it's not coming
flair the radar and the actual eyewitnesses yeah that's a lot of spoofing so then you're getting
into like a crazy claim which is like we have like physics you know in deep black aerospace and so I
and then the US ended up with a lot of it and at you know originally around you know 45
the United States and Britain and the secrets of the world that exist from that race
out the videos they're so good they're so well produced love what you're doing and thank you
thanks for going through all of it today man I love what you're doing appreciate you having it