I was just interested in it like like the UFO stuff.
And so I viewed the UFO thing as like, this very interesting like glitch in the fabric of reality that point to where we're going next.
And she wrote about the UFO thing is like a modern kind of religious phenomena.
of these UFO experiences which by the way I do believe.
like the rabbit hole of like UFO stuff and like the the observer and the observed like
this impartial distance and like she becomes this like UFO convert in a sense herself.
history of intellectual history and then the UFO stuff really co here to around the pandemic.
And interestingly I think there were a record number of UFO sightings in 2020 as well
IE a UFO crash.
it seems like they understand kind of more about ontological truth and the UFO thing more than meets the
UFO experience but some sort of paranormal like felt like he was touched by God and just stop speaking
it to the UFO thing well the dirty little secret underlying a guy like what was that guy's name
the you know sequence of events right like a UFO is seen in like ubituba Brazil it like explodes
that crash happened in 96 in Virginia so it was a UFO crash site was it let's do a fo crash
preponderance of UFO sightings if UFOs actually have more to do with time than space which is my
thing and they're these little gray men and like you look at any UFO database or like close encounters
that they're the best theory UFO books since Jacques Vallet and in some ways they're like even better
program called blue book yeah which was like meant to explain away all the you know the UFO stuff
with the ufo thing is like electromagnetism being somehow like really really fundamental and
little cat's ball to play with while like the ufo thing is like a dangle sure sure but but well
behind the scenes and it could involve ufo's and other things something like that has been proven
vis-a-vis your adversaries and so I don't know is that just like the UFO thing or do we have other
what was the the depth of the discussion that like op and heimer had around ufo's while he was
going on there we don't know but there's a book called ufo secrecy in the rob in the fall of
in the thirties and that actually it could have been around some of this ufo stuff and a lot of the
itself it was 41 through 45 and all the crash all the the lore around ufo crashes 45 through 49
and Eisenhower's sort of council around ufo's and he was overseen he was an actual guy he was overseeing
protocols for atomic secrecy which gets overlaid onto ufo secrecy he writes the mcman act around
Leslie groves you know mat daemons character in the oppenheimer uh around ufo secrecy and then he
goes on to write the ufo secrecy protocols and then his q clearance is also stripped around 53 54
ufo debunker for some reason it like feels like it's this guy's job to be like an you know a ufo
you know he's found a ufo that's crashed with you know it's whole crew intact or whatever
so we know that hodl was at least knowledgeable of the ufo phenomena at the very least like at a
uh uh uh uh uh ufo secrecy that it's uh uh ufo secrecy in the fall of robber j a up and hammer
like ufo detonation experiments being done actually in australia and harry turner is overseeing
this presumably ufo detonation sorry ufo atomic detonation experiment they're they're they're
they're bought the ufo detonation experiments yeah you know you're not familiar with that get on it
of this ufo story that i think they had had some ufo sightings around their nuclear stuff and by
the way the other thing that makes sense about opineheimer being read in is ufo's are crashing and
showing up around at least we know they're showing up because of ufo's and nukes but maybe crashing
interested in this and he starts to think that maybe the us and their inquiries into ufo's and
that could totally be true yeah he would you know there's a book um called UFO crash by this
UFO researcher William Steinman and there supposedly was a crash right after Roswell in Aztec
whether he was even involved in the UFO this is all predicated on you know they're being some core
these people at all entangled with the UFO story we just made a hundred and thirty million dollar
know mass spec isotope ratios don't exist naturally on earth and so like what actually is UFO
resume before anything UAP UFO is pretty nuts I mean really dude's been around the block in some
and then the interesting way in which this ties into the UFO story is like that magnesium bismuth
a lot of these materials that come up you know in this interesting way around the UFO conversation
space brothers and like space brothers yes and like he and his daughter had a UFO experience
and he attributes a lot of his initial work and knowledge to a UFO experience he had on Catalina
Island which is a UFO hotspot the fucking Catalina wine mixture that it all started there it is
it is a UFO I just can never wrap my head around the fact that the Catalina wine mixture places
things go hand in hand yeah so you know and there's there's a good book called under under c UFO
base by Preston Dennett which documents all the you know the crazy amount of UFO signings in
then you have the US version which according to everybody in UFO world has this corporatized
I don't know a lot a lot of people in the UFO world they're just like they're just full of shit
whatever or like national security editor um like I think he's just like kind of anti the UFO thing
with towns and brown is doing the gravity stuff and I think he's in on the UFO stuff too in 1987
he writes to William Steinman who's this UFO researcher saying you know the rumors around the
UFO crashes are essentially true or substantially true or whatever and he says you know John Von
like core group of UFO people and the first thing that Eric Walker asks you know the UFO that
due to any sort of historic electronic attention seeking desire for UFO you know for for
sees this you know um UFO wrapping around this dummy nuclear Atlas V Warhead and so um you know
nuclear there are UFO sightings in Barra Loché in Argentina because there's a civilian nuclear
maybe you know there are people in this movement or whatever in the UFO disclosure movement with
happens like in UFO Twitter and stuff like that it's about like okay if there's people who
interesting other angle to the UFO thing which is like these guys like John Wheeler and Bryce
UFO litigation somehow well he was he was up somewhere yeah he's like zelek or something he's always