was his follow up with Stewart Hammer off the Sanesthesiologist and it was this idea that like the
up and hammer debating teller being like you know this is too big for any target or whatever
between him and op and hammer and then the final thing i'll say and i don't know you know i don't
uh uh uh uh uh ufo secrecy that it's uh uh ufo secrecy in the fall of robber j a up and hammer
so he's putting together through a lot of secondary sources meaning like not up and hammer himself