Who was alive in 88 and 89? But to be around Bob when everything hit the fan,
a new look at the Bob Lazar story called S4, the Bob Lazar story.
So it's great. Dermy, you've been down this road to what it's like making a film on Bob Lazar and the story.
Hey, it's a challenge dealing with Bob. I mean, you know, cause he is, you know, I know I've known him for a long time now
that was a big deal for, for Bob and me and the film. It, it swayed public opinion to where sure, you still got naysayers
Right. But your approach to Bob was not, Hey, let's get you on camera at all.
Yeah. I mean, I think so, because when I first got, I first met Bob just taking notes with him.
I don't want to be recorded. I don't want that. That was Bob right from the get go.
It's a, you know, I, I've compared to Bob to a magpie. He likes, Ooh, sparkly things, you know, technology, virtual reality.
All this stuff. There's so, there was so, there's still so much wrong information on the Bob Lazar story out there because it's the telephone game for 40 years.
So, you know, uh, Bob likes to call me because of all the people saying things.
I still get 30 to 40 emails a day about Bob and I just don't do it anymore.
And your film, you do address some of the things that are out there, but it's not like I'm going down the checklist of arguments about Bob.
In fact, even the closest people to Bob, including his wife, Joy, when she first saw the film, she said, Oh my God.
Now I understand certain things that Bob's been telling me for all these years because you're visually seeing it.
And obviously we put in some evidence in the film that is clearly indicating that there's something that Bob said a long time ago that is real.
And, and we've been down this road for a long time is that people who become, they dig in their heels and it doesn't matter what you say about Bob.
Stan Friedman, the sainted late departed Stan Friedman, nuclear physicist who made it his cause to go after Bob at every chance.
I understand your points about Bob not having degrees and, and I've said different things about that myself.
I thought there were substance to him being at MIT and Caltech because I had talked to people who had been there, but I could never see Bob sitting in English lit to get a, you know, the only requirements other than scientific stuff and electrical engineering where he could get a degree.
And Bob has explained the schooling to private lead a friend, family and certain people.
It's hard to fully accept a story like Bob's, but now we're living in a reality where because of you bringing him out back then or because him being scared enough to come out.
And I think a lot of it stems from Bob.
Every time we talk about every time you hear people talking about Bob Lazar and his story, they immediately say things he was saying or things that were apparently happening, but they're not saying when he said it.
That's an important thing is when was Bob Lazar talking about these things that that really puts the context in a, it puts everything in a different context.
Um, drunk Bob is hilarious.
But when, when Luigi and Bob, when they were on rodent show, he was like, you know, drinking whiskey on an empty stomach.
It was surreal to be in that room with Joe Rogan and Bob Lazar.
You know, just sit in the background and kind of be a, a front row spectator to something that is such a cool, you know, and, and here I am listening to Bob and Joe talking and all that.
And I started seeing Bob, you know, he was starting to drink some of the whiskey, but I know Bob so well.
I was just saying, my joke is that I really do want to see a drunk history of UFOs narrated by Bob.
I can tell you that from back in the day when all this was hitting the fan, that Bob and I would go out here and there.
Well, as far as the, actually, as far as the story is concerned, as far as the Bob Lazar story is concerned, I didn't, I didn't, I, I obviously at the very beginning, I wasn't sure.
They didn't know who Bob Lazar was.
So it's important to always remember, I was the only person on Project Gravator that knew who Bob Lazar was and what had happened.
And Bob, when Bob found out none of them knew about him and none of them even believed it, he was like, that's great.
They got to see the tired Bob and the, you know, get a little headache, Bob or happy Bob.
Or so they got to meet Bob Lazar.
And just surrounding Bob, there's so many weirdos.
But Bob's a fucking fraud.
A lot of technical stuff Bob gets into. There's a lot of it that didn't make the film because Bob gets real technical. Then a lot of people get upset.
Like you, you download Paramount or Disney, you could download WANA. And in that, we're going to have all the extended interviews, the interviews you did with Bob, all the extended ones.
Movie is just the beginning. I mean, you're going to have all this information. Everybody wants that, like more exactly Bob, just talk us through it.
You know, one of the hardest parts I have found over the years to convey is what it was really like back then, as you're saying, who was alive in 88 and 89, but to be around Bob, when everything hit the fan, how to convey what it was really like to be followed to, you know, the stories from Mario about, you had some of those as well, but to be around Bob when everything hit the fan.
You know, I can recall being called to Bob's house and he's peeking out these blinds, holding an Uzi and he's ready to shoot people.
Repeat the same, uh, rumors over and over as, as if there is fact, there is no rumor about Bob too scurrilous to not repeat again and again.
The stuff about his education. Look, man, if, if you think that the heart of this and soul of the story is where Bob went to school, you're missing the boat big time.
And we put that in the very first story that we heard about Bob, the schools he said he went to have no record of it. That's in there.
Yeah. Let me ask you something about, so, you know, very famously, so Bob, through a bunch of shenanigans, they get a piece of element 115, they bring it to his fucking house.
That is something that I take very seriously. And I, and I really, really ask the audience or everybody to suspend judgment and think about that for a second, because this has everything to do with credibility of the story and not just Bob Lazar.
And the fact is every time I hear people attacking Bob Lazar for me in my ear, it's saying, well, you're, you're automatically attacking George Knapp.
And in fact, let's just get past this hard part. It was filmed and they gave George, Bob gave George the original. We tore about his house.
We tore up his house for years. Brown case looking for this. He wants to put it out to the world. Bob was hoping he could find it.
Bob Lazar smuggled a pound and a half of 115 out of S4.
He had it. Uh, let's talk about what you learned about 115, because that's another argument. Well, 115 doesn't act anything like Bob.
Apparently the information they gave him again, this is some, Bob says this all the time. This is information they gave him.
There's somebody and Bob keeps saying it. There's someone who knows more. There's someone in this whole chain that has the bigger picture.
Or the leak was, is there a shabbing? And you can kind of also maybe, I'm just theorizing how it would get into Bob's possession.
So here's what happened, according to Bob, is that, um, he was really thinking, man, no one's going to believe me.
So I went up to him, I said, Bob, was there a camera that you brought?
Yeah. That, that is so not Bob Lazard. Bob is not somebody who wants to talk about this stuff.
Cause Bob usually doesn't get into this stuff.
Actually, George, I'll say something that happened when you, you and Bob were on stage.
Bob Lazar stood up and made a drawing on the whiteboard of the, the doors, the adjacent doors in the hangers.
And without ever mentioning anything to Bob, I knew that. I thought that that's a good point. They're right. It's true.
Yeah. So I asked Bob, this is where I really, really, I begged Bob, please provide us as much cause there was so much in there. So he was really great.
And I thought, oh, there's a door. He goes, because now he's there. And he goes, yeah, there's a door. And I said, Bob, you never said that. He goes, oh my God. Yeah. There's a door there.
Look, if there was going to be a program like this, they'd ask me to be in it and not Bob Lazar.
And Bob had said for the beginning, I shouldn't have been there. I shouldn't have been the guy for that.
They are much better people that, but they picked me. And I, I, you know, we all came to the belief that over the years, Bob was the perfect guy in the sense that he thought outside the box.
Bob Lazar put a jet engine on, in a Honda Civic. Sometimes people just say Honda, a Honda Civic, which is a pretty small car now.
Fuel. Yeah. I mean, people just don't know that. Yeah. Non-scientist Bob, who's a complete phony.
There's an army of people who hate Bob Lazar who spend their time creating websites and all sorts of stuff.
I saw again, my brainiac group of people on a signal chat group, they raised the name of Mark Farmer, a guy who investigated Bob, went to Los Alamos, dug up people who had borrowed money or he'd borrowed money from and paid it back.
And then we're trying to get them to say that was something funny about Bob because he hired teenagers to work in his business.
It that is completely different. Every time people talk about Bob Lazar, a lot of people talk about Bob Lazar.
If I could read so much nonsense about me, I can only imagine the nonsense about Bob. So the thing is, is that when you reframe it with something like that, that's the battlefield.
Bigelow found out he's a fraud and kicked him out. You know, they ended their business. And, uh, uh, you know, that Bob had tried to pass off aerogel as element 115.
It was that Bob made a mistake and stored some furniture in that office for like a two day period and just got caught.
Yeah. And Bigelow who is a tough employer. Well, I, I even, it's funny. I, it's a topic we just covered. And Bob said his, he had a friend, Jim in Los Angeles that was going to come and work with him.
Yeah. And it ended that relationship, but they had nothing to do with Bob pretending that the aerogel is element. All that's bullshit.
That's George's point. Is it like something happened? And then even later employees of Bigelow have continued to pass around this false narrative about, you know, Bob, you know, pretending aerogel was Y-15.
Well, there was Bob was adopted, right? He was born under one name and he was adopted under another name. And, and that's why it was, it was not easily findable. It was found later.
Yeah. Whatever the case is. When, when Bob Lazar was explaining it to us and building the sport model took a long time.
And we need, we need, we need the audience to see what, what Bob's up.
So I called Bob and I said, Bob, it's, it's fucking dark.
And, you know, from the very first, these Russian satellite photos that Bob and Gene had got the show, there's a road that leads down from, uh, area 51 group Lake down to where Bob said S4 was next to Papus.
We had a couple of drawings, very crude drawings of Bob did.
This looks like hangar doors at this place, at this area where Bob said it really did happen.
And I thought, look, I have Bob Lazar.
And we had built, we had already built the, the, first of all, we had gone over it with Bob.
So that day I was at Bob Lazar's house.
So I, I, I, I'm standing with Bob and I go, what do you think of this?
And Bob's like, holy shit.
He goes, Bob's like, I don't know.
And Bob said the first hanger was called the big hanger.
What it does though, is in 1989, Bob Lazar knew that at that exact location, near Papus Lake, there was something hidden in the mountain that looked like large rectangular doors.
I saw Michael Shermer put out a list of lies that Bob is told that he'd be asked about.
And how did Bob know?
So there's just a preponderance of evidence that keeps adding to the Bob Lazar story.
And people are like, huh, that's exactly like Bob's been describing all these years.
they say, are you know, obviously George is going to have Bob on the show and I will confirm
I'm proud of Bob too, because I know this shit's uncomfortable for him.