speaks about UFOs in a really concrete, hard-headed way.
I want to know how you got into UFOs to begin with, because a lot of people with your sort
of credentials and background think UFOs are a joke.
I mean, I've always been interested in UFOs.
He goes, I have friends who work up at Malmstrom Air Force Base, and they have problems with UFOs flying over the nuclear missile sites and shutting down nuclear missiles.
I mean, UFOs are shutting down nuclear missiles, and this isn't, everybody's not on red alert.
UFOs are shutting down nuclear missiles up in Malmstrom Air Force Base, and we would all laugh, right?
And some of the students wanted me to comment on UFOs.
I'm like, well, I don't know anything about UFOs, and it's certainly not science.
The first one was Robert Salas talking about UFOs shutting down nuclear missiles at Malmstrom Air Force Base.
And so I think the nuclear link is a version of that with UFOs, where UFOs seem to show
And UFOs were reported to show up there.
They have a whole museum dedicated to UFOs.
And it's the town in Japan that's obsessed with UFOs.
of UFOs there.
He's saying he's seen UFOs and he's seen them around Malmstrom Air Force Base.
Robert Hastings, who wrote the book UFOs and Nukes, got into this whole subject because
So on the one hand, you have UFOs showing up around our most important assets or nuclear
Uh, UFOs is one of them.
Yeah, we, there was some backlash, some backlash when we started working on UFOs.
into UFOs, because why spend time on something that's probably nonsensical when you can be
How do you think UFOs fly?
Do you have like a prop, a propulsion modality that you like best when it comes to UFOs?
Uh, the underwater UFOs, you've even got more in, you should, should be a much more friction
Every night, super into UFOs.
At NASA, you mentioned the people there weren't really into UFOs.
How does, how do you square that with all this lore of them being interested in UFOs?
Bledsoe's door when he starts to attract UFOs.
knowledge of UFOs, but it's like these people within NASA that are extremely interested in
try different things. Is there a best sensor modality if you're trying to spot UFOs?
and these blurry photos of UFOs. Well, they're infrared images. What do you expect? I've heard
UFOs first, these rectangular things show up in front of the ship and have these lights that go up
but it's like, that implies, okay, you're sitting on maybe, you know, shorter clips of UFOs.
Air Force, wrote the famous Twining memo in 1947 saying, UFOs are not visionary nor fictitious.
Do you think that, uh, not only UFOs are just showing up around nuclear sites, but that the
it looks like the, the, an SCU did a study of this, of UFOs monitoring nuclear sites. And so
So while some of these sites were being built, UFOs were present.
And he's seeing UFOs. And Robert Hastings has an interview with him.
And she found over a hundred thousand in an eight year period, what appeared to be UFOs,
those could look like transients or UFOs, but then she followed up on the study and she said,
Do you think UFOs come from space or do you think they are sort of, you know, going through wormholes,
Interesting. Do you know of any interesting space-based encounters of UFOs, like NASA encounters?
uh, was extremely interested in UFOs and publicly to this day is like this big, you know, UFO proponent.
just saw UFOs along the way, or maybe there's something very ontologically weird about the
But then after that, he was very, very much, um, involved with UFOs.
He's very close with Werner Von Braun, who seemed really interested in UFOs as well.
Werner Von Braun's mentor was Herman Oberth, who, who gave a lecture in 1954 on UFOs.
That's the problem with this whole conversation around UFOs is you have, on the one hand, most conventional astronomers not even looking at the data set often.
But, like, this data set that we're talking about with UFOs showing up around nuclear weapons, just, like, totally ignorant of it.
And, like, he's talking about UFOs, but it's, like, as if they have to be things that are traveling from space.
So you end up with these people who, like, again, don't want to, like, knock him, like, super smart, conventional guy, but, like, is mired in kind of current astronomical data around UFOs and just won't really look at it.
I mean, you had Richard Dolan on, and he just put out a book on UFOs and water, underwater UFOs.
There's a saucer in the town dedicated to UFOs.
Do you think they have anything to do with UFOs?
Yeah, no, Stony Brook has a great physics department, but I don't think they do anything with UFOs.