you do an all analyst report and intelligence assessment.
And then determine whether it's real or not.
They really were going to have to get together and figure out a way
It became very apparent that the Germans were working on some incredibly advanced
designs, particularly aircraft designs and some other stuff.
And then the Russians also were, so what do you do?
I mean, you know, you go right to defense contractors and say,
because there wasn't any place else to do it.
We didn't have the, you know, we had Army R&D and Air Force R&D,
woefully too small.
And you also needed to get rid of a lot of the bureaucracy to get this done quickly.
The reason why this guncorks was created for Lockheed Martin, they needed a place,
they needed a spy plane.
CIA went to them and said, create the spy plane that we need it now.
We needed, you know, Lockheed Martin said, okay, took a separate chunk out,
took all the bureaucratic nonsense out of it and said,
designed it, however to hell, you want to design it.
And then, and they created the YouTube and, you know, Blackbird and things along those lines.
So, yeah, I mean, it was a good thing.
But let me, let me, let me turn back.
And you know, you have the FOIA and you know, you know, you have Congress can,
you know, can look at this stuff or they can call people up and say, you know,
contract that was working on, say something associated with UAPs, whatever it might be,
something nuts and bolts, something, you know, psychological or what have you.
it's just absolutely incredible. And if you know the man, you know, you know, this is a guy who's
about a straight up honest, decent human being, you could possibly imagine. This is just a wonderful,
And they put it, they put a stop to it. And you know, when I was in the agency, I had a law,
I mean, every major operation that was involved and it was a lawyer right next to me. And these guys
wouldn't, that I respect very highly, that I wouldn't get into it. That's one reason. And the
second reason is it's still being looked at, and I, it has some elements to it that are sort of
I remember on a Friday night and get out of the office, you guys are, you know, and then I explained
what had happened to me through to one of my guys there and he was a deep cover guy.
as a terraca and in the occult my whole life since I was a kid, you know, 17, 18. My older brother
of what they weren't grace. They were definitely not correct, but they were they were there. Yeah,
right, right. And it's funny. I don't even like talking about it because it's
Robert Hastings, you know, UFOs and Newtons. Great guy.
don't have this. I remember how telling me once anybody can do remote viewing, he said, but,
he said there are some people that are really, really good, like a really good ice skater, right?
And there are some people that could do it, but they're not really that good. So, you know,
there's Ingoswan and Joe Magonical, you know, up up there. And then there's some people down
at the bottom, you know, so it's a real thing. And I was actually at, you know, at CIA when they
canceled the program. And I was actually, you know, with the meeting that was going on with
the council of the program, I was there. And I remember talking to the guy who had it canceled.
I mean, he's a good friend of mine, very senior guy in the agency at the time because
because I said, oh, I knew about it. And I said, well, why did you cancel it? And he goes, well,
he said, Jim is, it's not because he didn't work. It worked. He said, we couldn't explain it. He said,
how do we use it as an intelligence in an intelligence assessment? He said, if we didn't know how we got
As an old hippie who's experimented with more drugs than I cared a name, before I joined the agency,
of, uh, a purported, um, UFO material from a crash. Um, I can tell you that the military
visited us three separate times, not twice. I'm sorry, twice came to our, you know, our offices and,
information, as far as I'm concerned, is accurate how he explained it to me. So, he's not a guy
that's prone to making things up. I mean, you know, essentially, if he says something, he's
that we've sold. And they're in pre-production right now, Tom's movie,
Manchester, California, young adult kind of movie, which is very good. And I've seen the movie. And
it's in the millions of dollars a year. And so we need, we need that kind of funding. And the only way
we figured out we were going to get that kind of funding is if and get our shareholders, we had a