And on numerous occasions and so he's the real deal and and then that started that and then I went out to San Diego to talk to Tom DeLong, who I did not know, but he had written with the people that I was going to talk to Tom DeLong, who I did not know.
But he had written with AJ Hartley, a book called Seagrard Machines and that book had some very interesting data in it that that we didn't know what whether or not there was a leak of classified information that Thomas getting from his quote unquote advisors, we knew he did have advisors and they were absolutely real.
to strengthen our armed forces and become more modernized.
I mean, you know, you go right to defense contractors and say,
because there wasn't any place else to do it.
But let me, let me, let me turn back.
So, so, and get back to this military industrial complex.
So, let's say you have something you want to keep quiet.
And you know, you have the FOIA and you know, you know, you have Congress can,
you know, can look at this stuff or they can call people up and say, you know,
in the military and say, I need to know more about this particular program.
But if you, if you classified and turned it into a special access program or special
compartmental information, or you have a bigot list, you know, you can only like 10 people
are honored or something like that and or 100 people are on it and then you put it there.
Those are usually safeguarded from most members of Congress in the Senate.
Now, the gang of eight, you know, these senators and congressmen.
Yeah, they, they pretty much have access to that.
And so does Sissy and Hipsy.
Sometimes not all of people on Sissy, Sissy and Hipsy, but usually the directors will have
access to that information. So, they're fulfilling their obligation to Congress through that.
hanging out there someplace. Okay. And then they might be, you know, they might be divided
up and compartmentalized too in the different areas. Don't forget, I mean, you know, when, when,
you know, the house involved with at SRI, and the kit ran for 20 years,
Also, the idea that if you did that enough times, a good intelligence analyst can look at that
and actually start putting pieces together and come up with, this is how the intelligence
this. So, you know, how to, how to, you know, people, people in your field really look at,
the subject, which might be correct or incorrect or Stephen Greer, I was talking a lot about my labs.
And his kind of version of what that is. But then what I found extremely interesting was,
you know, a colonel's all these captains infrastructure would have to be there. Military bases,
you know, clear text, you know, inside something, you're trying to listen in, essentially,
what it amounts to. It could do that for all kind of reasons. So is there a corporate entity
My wife and I, being woken up in the middle of the night by
as a terraca and in the occult my whole life since I was a kid, you know, 17, 18. My older brother
you know, and these kind of experiences and for a lot of your listeners out there who's had these,
and I remember Chris Blitz, I had them too, and you get these and a lot of people come to some type
it's like, you know, I, I, I look at this and it's bad enough we're born on this planet
Poetry smart guy. I always tell people, if you want to read one seminal book, you know,
there's Ingoswan and Joe Magonical, you know, up up there. And then there's some people down
at the bottom, you know, so it's a real thing. And I was actually at, you know, at CIA when they
how do we use it as an intelligence in an intelligence assessment? He said, if we didn't know how we got
it. So you can't go to the president, you know, and I mean, our national security council and say,
yeah, we know the Russians are building this particular submarine. And this is what it looks like.
And it's over here. And I go, great. Is that human source? And you get deaf from that aspire?
And you get deaf from, no, no, we got it from some guy who went out of the silver cord. And,
you know, you saw this and his mind's, you can't do that. You know, so they canceled. And they canceled
it after 20 years. So I have the program, you know, they take very, very seriously. Now did it go away?
I doubt it. I mean, I think CAA probably gave it to another intelligence agency to do, you know,
which happens all the time, actually. So yeah, yeah. And getting to, you know, you know, contact and stuff.
I, you know, I've been involved with something called CE5. And when I say CE5, I'm not talking
specifically, you know, everything that Dr. Greer says or preaches or teaches about it, because
actually there was a group in South America in 1974 doing the exact same thing, you know, similar
cases, you know, it could be 50, 50 sometimes is 60, 40. I don't know. But, but I just said, I always
say proceed with caution. And, and, and let me tell you something else. I mean, you know, I, I,
factually, people who have been cursed, capital C, by this. Yeah. And we have no idea how.
private slash government because operationally. No, actually, the reason why it's, it's private and
the reason why it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's not classified as much as it's
100 years maybe get to this capacity. I mean, to get to this point, we'll make it, oh, yeah,
it is really, really odd piece. And this is the, this is the layered business.
come back and revisit it once the art technology gets better and then we can come back and look at it.
And by the way, this is what happens in, in these programs, these legacy programs.