Well you know I think it's it's the first issue is I think everybody should understand that you know in here how the government works in 1947 right after Roswell and we had and then you know right after was well happened and then we had this and he's UFO flaps that were going on.
And there were a lot of them and you know in the late late 40s early 50s again in the 60s so what happens is you know everybody looks to the Air Force at that time you know and you don't say okay what are these things so.
They did and and and that program was never going to be public and then when CIA got into the picture in 47 and 48.
head of an arose, going to be brief, state departments going to be brief.
They're all going to get briefed on this.
took all the bureaucratic nonsense out of it and said,
designed it, however to hell, you want to design it.
engineering. You're really talking about consciousness. You're talking about some elements,
aquatic mechanics. You're talking about religion. You're talking about a lot of different things.
you know, 10, 11 years old. Yeah, that there's a force that exists out there that can control our
environment that can put thoughts in your head that can lie to you, trick you, deceive you,
because I think that's probably what it is that made me believe it was this, you know, how the
entities looked and, you know, how some of the physical manifestations that occurred.
that's a family. Yeah, everybody, every family has his functions and what have you about.
You know, I just think they're a great all-American family. And but when Chris went through,
and I believe every word he tells me and about this. And not only do I believe every word he tells me,
he attracted the attention of a lot of people, DIA, NASA, CIA,
other agencies, everybody wanted to get close to him. Everybody wanted to know
as much as information as they possibly can because his experience, it took in not only the classic
abduction scenario, because he had missing time, right, where he had no idea what was going on,
right. But he also met, he met the entities themselves and he also met the lady.
And not many people meet the lady. And I think, and the lady is an element in all of this
the experience, right? So people probably heard that you were an experienced, or you mentioned it
My wife doesn't remember anything and although she was affected, very seriously affected by it.
and with about 20 of us. And it was a quiet little place with, you know, scholars and everything
we're talking about this. And I said, it's, it's, it's extremely problematic for me that
because I said, oh, I knew about it. And I said, well, why did you cancel it? And he goes, well,
he said, Jim is, it's not because he didn't work. It worked. He said, we couldn't explain it. He said,
I, you know, I've been involved with something called CE5. And when I say CE5, I'm not talking
But I will say that generally speaking, the contact seems to be at least benign or positive when
did he choose, I mean, did he make the conscious decision to, you know, take lemons and turn them
in the lemonade, um, which is the kind of guy he is actually anyway. So, um, or did the entities
I think it's, I think it's probably both now. Yeah. And, and, and, I mean, I guess, I mean,
um, where the isotopic ratios are not of this planet. So, I mean, so, but again, you know,
there is, it's nothing, it's not the least bit scientific. It would be thrown out in a court.
we're surprisingly, even though our Davis and I support her much of Lazar, the Lazar story,
you know, both accounts talking about how they look at the technology they work on for a few
cartel productions and some other companies to get them out.
What I'm sorry, the thing was Hal and remote viewing. I've never heard about that.
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said it.
It's going to be in the public, but it's really cool. And you know, and we, a script was written
by a really talented guy who's done some major Hollywood work. And he's very excited about it.
We're very excited about it. And we're working on the funding for it now, so getting that out.
But the main goal right now, we had a switch over to become an entertainment company because
after the pandemic hit, everything went to crap. We had a pretty good shot at some really
good investment money coming in. And our goal was, you know, we were always doing entertainment,
but we wanted to do the research side of it also. But the research side was so money intensive.
And the money, some of the investors who walked away during pandemic, I mean, that was where
there's no there there. There's no ontology we have. Yeah. And do you think once there's,
there are possibly some developments and kind of refining the perspective on that that it will
you know, social science teachers, philosophers, scientists, researchers like yourself,