And I'm not talking about one piece of footage.
And that you've seen.
And that's hard for me sometimes.
And sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs and destroy your humanity.
And I've seen that pain in people's eyes.
And it's not a way to live, man.
So in 2008, on the 4th of July, I was on a boat with my father, who's in the Federal Aviation Administration, two retired commercial pilots and a current commercial pilot.
And off to our right is a baseball field.
And the field lights are on.
And they were rotating.
And then they just vanished after about 20 seconds, I would say.
And everybody in the boats that we were both tied to and the boats all around us, we all freaked out.
And ever since then, I've been obsessed with the phenomenon.
And you got a shot.
One and the same.
And the same could be said for a psyop.
With a G and a C.
With a G and a C?
And I don't, but I can turn you down.
And this is me.
Um, there's an immersion and I didn't really get it before.
And I was like, oh, it's more freeing without headphones.
Well, you've, I know you've been in a real skiff and, uh, tell me the difference between a skiff.
And then you did bring me into this skiff fact.
And yeah.
And they don't bring their phones in.
are metal detectors and in some of them there's more procedures done.
And there's a lot of skiffs that I never went into.
It's, you know, you hear about the things that go on in the skiff and the things that
First of all, um, now you're asking me a personal question and my personal feelings.
George Knapp and I refused to go into a skiff.
And I haven't processed anything.
Um, you, you were invited into a skiff and then you were advised by your lawyer not to go.
Because your lawyer is like, if you go in there and you say this stuff, they might have a right
warned you about was that they can just basically, uh, classify whatever is said in there and that,
Let's go into this one little tiny hair and let's split it.
Was that the American public gets to see some of what I've seen and some of what George
Um, footage that is absolutely non harming to American national security and five eyes,
is is is really classified it's whereabouts and and the capability of satellite if you look at
low visual so not satellite but that asset they didn't know that we were and could see them so
participate with dealing with on a daily basis as as a nation and as five eyes so when you have the
ability to see and people don't think you can that would be considered national security yeah what i
was intending to do and i guess now i've said it a little bit in the movie because the movie remember
what i was talking about is i was to and i went through a lengthy month many months process of this
game of cat and mouse of like okay if i had seen anything that the american public should see specifically
and there's no reason why ufos should be the existence of ufos should not be classified nothing
about that should be classified none that i can think of now when you get into the implications and
so george knapp and i were doing this dance of like well so i personally will testify but what i have to
say is not important so saying is not important for me it is giving and showing 12 assets now the thing
is and here's the dance how do you get into a locked room and you're a puzzle man so maybe you figure
this out i couldn't how do you get into a locked room with no electronics and show what you think
pretend how do you get into that locked room and how do you show in front of other people's eyes if you
nothing matches and most ai tools actually end up making it worse really every generation feels like
a reset you're just prompting random things over and over and that's what i like about higgs field
cinema studio is that it doesn't work like that at all you start with one intentional frame and that's
where you sort of define the shot almost like a director would and then you take that frame and you
extend it into motion by choosing the camera movements the lenses and even the actual camera
type and so instead of generating clips over and over you're working from a fixed starting point and
same perspective just different takes of the same shot and for what i'm doing it's actually super
important to try and remain as accurate to the story as i possibly can and if you guys want to try
it out i highly encourage you to check it out right now i'll let the link in the description and let me
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what i said is how i'm asking a question if you're me yeah and you're george uh-huh and you've said
taken so you oh i see you have access right because it's been in front of your eyes and you
so how do you get in there and bring something because by the time you're bringing something you've
journalist the obtaining is fine obtain and release i've never leaked anything in my life
now sure people have leaked stuff to me and george and that's a crime that's a federal crime
and it's got major punishment and that's on whoever leaks that's on you no it's not my wife's kind of
for better because they trust you sure and the one thing i am worthy of is people's trust so here we go
how do we get into that room and then how do you show it if you don't if you don't have it if you
yeah it's already in the hands of journalists and they have a duty to to the public yeah yeah it's a
tricky line but me and george doing no harm to national security is important to us now one more
okay so i'm told by national security people after months and months and months of doing this dance
so with that said i've got this responsibility and i'm like cool let's let's see this through
let's set this up so we get notified that there is a skiff and it's under my terms and conditions
which is that these are the people allowed and must be in the room and you tell me who you want
and i need to know their names now i need to know who they work for and and that's the thing about them
is they they know that if they tell me a lie i will find out and that's been the bane of the existence
of the doj and everybody every agency is that somehow through magic with like a fucking normal
spelling okay this spelling okay the georgian i can do that so then imagine this all set up and by the
so it was for that and then what happens is i get a call i'm in the showers from a congressional person
and they say we have a leak straight up we have a leak i go i know and then i'm going to say this person
said do you know who it is and i said i do i believe i do and then this person said to me
i'm not even going to be in dc they're lying to you and i said didn't know
so i called my lawyer my federal lawyer who is chuck mccullough the third and in that conversation
i don't think this is a good idea for you and george jeremy yeah and and he explained why it seems
again the rule is nobody because they got a lot of staffers yeah nobody tells arrow and nobody gets
to know but the people in the room and that's a trust thing and that's the way it should and usually
goes except every single one of them got exposed to arrow and arrow went after them in different
unique ways that i have documented and can prove in the court of law in in what in like what way
and i i assume dylan borland as well um because of the you know the movie as well you know you hear
have seen it temporal dial so i'm gonna skip and chris ramsey has a clock right there but it's it's
take care of my wife he seems really really concerned he was um for good reason and and so
what i'm asking is like these four people and maybe dylan included what sort of because we hear it a lot
but what exactly does that mean is it straight up like brass knuckles and like hey we're going to beat
you out in the parking lot if you don't shut up or is it more subtle is it like a little wink here and
what does that look like help me understand right so it's insidious and that's the best word that i can
use for and it comes in a variety of ways and some are overt and some are covert and then some are
just almost seemingly inert and it's really so i would like to break that down for you
dylan raised his hand and got all the way there and he testified so clearly i'm not talking about him
yeah although he did you know get messed with and to be factual actually arrow was part of a
completely fabricated crime really yeah yeah and i i don't know that's pretty serious that's real
and um we're so now talking to though diet time dilation we're not completely through that yet
i don't know and and the reason i don't know is because my personal duty is to not harm where i live
and by telling the world what people in our country did to whistleblowers and who's involved from the
we have dirty laundry right so i i don't know that's interesting and so this section of the podcast
individuals i'm going to say because there are bad apples in a barrel right and the barrel is good
arrow is beholden to odni and i could be wrong by the way so i'm just a bearded guy with tattoos who
and it's got arrow underneath and arrows doing the the pressurization of somebody yep okay that's going
to have a distinct odor feel and smell so the way arrow goes about it is they will have um for example
a colonel and they will call for example um a navy an active navy guy and the active navy guy says
and he would respectfully decline an interview because he said i told them everything i know
what are you interested in and then arrow would say well i'm not interested in in in people
that is beginning and then if he declines again and by the way when they catch you on the phone and
isn't real right they're they're wishing because they don't know and that's what's so cool they don't
naval person that would ever even dare to stand up and raise their hand about uap again not that
that you apply pressure and that is the um inert way you know nobody can get in trouble nobody is
because then once you've declined and then your superior gets a call and that call is simply like
menacing and then the superior says well what happens because the navy's so they got the backs
declines again and the flex will be well we'll go to pete hanksath and then
okay okay so they will go to like just flexing that they have a direct line and you know his
teacher no well sorry i hate keep saying no but um yes and yes and um we are going to get the teacher
to sit you in the corner and you will fucking answer and you will interview with us even though
you've already said everything to the american public that you fucking know and that's the end
inert right i listed three types covert um overt i think i said and inert is that what i said sure
know what they mean by that because we've heard it a lot we've heard about reprisals we heard this and
that and it's kind of been like never even you know when grush talked about it grush has said that
you know people have sustained uh injury and you know casualties have been taken but like it's always
kind of been vague and i just want to know what exactly goes on with these interactions so so it is
inert and we're going to move to um i think we'll move to covert okay so so covert um or should it was the
other one i said um overt overt we can go to overt let's go overt and then covert okay so overt
you get a call and on the other end of that call is we are going to fucking kill you
you're at a bar and you're you're there with friends that can read i say they can read they
read the room okay funny story about auntie but anyway they can read and there is a violently
murderous quiet motherfucker just sitting by you and you can feel like pain right like it hurts
and you're like oh it's fucking in my head you know i can chill out man get a sense of humor breathe
and you just ask you ever seen this guy before nobody's ever seen this guy nobody servers there
10 years never seen this guy so you buy a beer and you put the beer down right next to the guy
and you go hey man i've never seen you around here my name is jeremy here's a cool sticker it's a joke
um but it's not it's good that's flying saucy you know like that and go you live by here
and the the the mask the charade just like vanishes totally unmasked right totally unmasked and you
happen to have a reporter watching who can read and the individual says something exactly like
and you're like cool so
and then that guy would say something like
so especially when when when your friend follows that guy because he can read and was hanging out by
and they follow and he notices that the guys because he's not like a trained guy and when he
back to you before he left and i already said it and i my brain is already no you didn't say what
i get it no no i know but your audience doesn't know me that's okay okay i get it and if they've
watched the movie um which by now they would have um they'll get a glimpse into who you are okay and how
your brain works okay and i think they can appreciate it and i think uh you know just just so that you don't
have to feel the need to stop and and address it all the time okay but you know i usually have a pen
and paper because i i don't want to get off track when i answer your questions i hate it when people
two now would you consider that overt i would consider that somewhere between covert and over right so now
gave you one which is like the calls then i gave you one where the guy kind of starts off covert and
so let's say you're standing somewhere and somebody mark bumps into you and marks you let's just
and like you know let's say put something on you that marks you let's pretend yeah it's a pin sure
understand the meaning of that pin right and so that is overt even though yeah nothing is quite said
killed all the time for what they know that does happen and that's not just ufo related that's like
poof you're gone you're mccaslin poof you're gone you're so and so poof you're a guy at los alamos
you're gone poof you were working on a science thing and all of a sudden poof you're gone you're
of way and did it have anything to do with ufos i have no idea i'm not read into that but i'm just
that's a big message oh it's a big message too right so it would be covert and the best way to get
got somebody that is mentally unstable and already dislikes chris rams we're gonna put it on you so
you can feel it okay okay so this guy is a ufo fanatic and this guy is unstable and this guy
to intelligence but he fucking hates you and he ain't rap so teddy but that's why they chose him in
my brain um karyaku john karyaku something so this guy was famously cia and fbi tried to entrap him
because he told the truth to the world that we were waterboarding and torturing people so he served
because it was the right thing to do and he'd do it again right so kind of reeling me back in to the
all that needs to be done is to instigate quietly poke prod in flame and then that person gets the
intelligence agencies because he already doesn't like you already has significant training and just needs
a little poke and prodding that's covert is that because you know those those type of psychological
by like some credible so the answer is yes okay hold on let me process the time dilation and if i can
i was told by an agency yeah they brought a sincere credible and urgent threat to my life to me
and so there's there's some i don't want to reveal certain words because then all of a sudden
have to sit down with your mom and your wife and because you've had to move twice because of threats
to your life most of them overt yeah some covert like moving into my new house and having it show
up in a tabloid called dirt.com okay so um and only two people know because you bought it in a blind llc
and those two people over three years you found out for sure they didn't do it then you found out who
paid the 300 to get that ad in there and that sucks because because then you realize america's
the chris ramsey threat and my mom and my wife so you're sitting there and the fbi is informing you
um and you're informing them too but then they sidebar your mom and they they they take that
but they kind of tell my mom what's up right and the thing is is that they really can't protect you
because if there is an agency who is covertly pushing a psychopath to hurt you chris and you
have personally experienced it but let's talk about the other witnesses and what's happened to them
definitely and you know i i guess for me it's um you know i'm sure many people feel this way as well
gets sensitive around specifics because you know there are apparently lives at stake here and and and more than
um you know more lives than than are publicly even disclosed and so that's a that's freedom of
very clear and in the interview that you released with matt and both interviews with george as well
implied and there has been sort of activity surrounding uh a threatening nature but we're
i can only assume right and and it's always it always seems like oh they're definitely threatening but
then we never get to hear like you know you said they called you and said we're gonna kill you
to be pronoid or are you going to get paranoid and you need to document everything fastidiously and
bunch of people right you also need to have evidence and proof and so you and you have to live that
way and living that way means that every moment of your life unless you choose it to be is documented
recorded audio video pushed up to the cloud spread out on servers encrypted and then spread out so
okay is the answer okay i want to answer your question yeah okay and then let's move to my movie
of the orange cup now which i said was cia okay yeah told you you were good at putting pins and things
is this here's cia um so cia if you if if you if you meet with them and you know first they try to
you know i'm never going to hurt our country you know um i'm gonna do my best and if i up that's on me
different rules that i have to play by and they have different rules in order to contact me so some
you know it's a transactional thing but you're like oh but i'm i'm a journalist and so yeah 100
100 and then like you know you don't even let people buy you a beer no yeah okay
then when it gets heavier and they can't enroll you and they can't incentivize you the next thing they
lc and then a magazine prints it okay and there's only two people on planet earth that know that
you're associated with this property and you're moving because of a direct threat that has been
proven to you and you were informed about that then if that doesn't work then the next thing is hey man
we really want to look out for you and we are worried that just the bad guys you know like other
us know let us know if something ever occurs like that and then that they do that
know that happened now the question it and they affirm that that happened meaning you have your
thought this because if i can't operate on american soil but massad can and does
then i might ask my friend to send their girl you tracking okay that happens every day and i'll
you like this there is an upside down and it is everywhere around you at all times
and the people that have trained officially and are part of it know that it exists and it is the
got a fire burning in your brain and i'm going to try to put it out with gasoline right now so let's
at all times it's the upside down you don't see it and it's happening all the time around you and the
only time it percolates to the surface or there's a puncture and you and you see behind that veil
call badged contact because it's literally badged contact and they read your profile and they say i
and then you could talk to him because he's a journalist and you know he probably has a perfect audio
always takes phone calls on speakerphone for the last uh more than 11 years now and and and he's
to understand and now you do is that there is an upside down and thank god there is and it's so
used to say stars were hummingbirds that would poke holes in the firmament and that's what stars were
dagger it's a weapon it's used to discredit you but we can use those funny terms and we can make ufos
thing yeah and you understand at least that i believe what i'm saying to be true now we can
lighten up talk about time dilation yeah i mean yeah it's uh yeah thank you for sharing all that and i
know i know it's well it doesn't seem easy to talk about and especially you know after watching the movie
moments and the in-between moments were put forward as the main moments and the main moments were kind
of brushed aside and i think that that's a director or filmmaker's approach to trying to find the
authenticity it is hard going in front of a camera and being authentic to say to someone hey just be
it is hard for people because people now you're conscious of the camera and so you become self
conscious and all of this so one of the i get it yeah so a great way to go beyond that is you know this
is something i had a i had a tv show we did one season of and i was the executive producer and the
creator of the show and i remember we were doing some sort of hidden camera stuff because we wanted
and we noticed as soon as people yelled uh cut everyone would relax and then they'd be themselves
and so we had a code word for cut instead of being someone else you had a code word for cut so we had we
had a code word for cut so when we said cut it wasn't cut it was cameraman relax and look away
while he's still filming and then we get the real moments because a lot of the moments we were like
what'd you can you describe what happened in that magic trick and if the camera's there they go
uh it was great uh so wow it was amazing you know and then we're like oh we can't use that
we need authenticity and so we go all right we got it cut and then we go like wasn't that crazy they go
oh my god that was so insane and they'd open up while we're filming sort of slouched and so what i'm
where you got very emotional where you're like you said that's okay years ago to me i did and you
were like cut this out motherfucker you left and you left the room no in the to me and in this movie
oh um and he left that of course of course he did and and me with tmz too but i also think that
eating and he was always when he's eating he's so consumed by what he's eating he's just like
and he's and he's listening half listening he's like yeah and just back to back to food did it
you know and yeah do you think you're nuts warm nuts yeah exactly and he kind of brushed it off and
it was all real there's another laugh there's another laugh that he gets and i i don't know
hasn't come out yet this is the first time that i'm talking about this movie and i don't know if
i'm ever gonna talk about this movie right so i want to talk about this movie and about michael okay
i learned something about a camera and i think that's what allowed me to never fear them
hmm or never know just decline to admit them their existence because because i do and and you
know me and i have a purpose and i use the camera like a weapon so if i go on a new show i use that
time like a weapon and then i know the camera's going or whatever but it's never about the camera
and there's a reason why there's a reason how i got there i want to tell you that but first quick
brain a second fear of not being loved okay is it also fear so yes and is it also fear of being
hated and ridiculed same one in the same thing i consider the same thing yeah okay so we're saying
kitchen with his wheelchair is that my head and then you go on with the wheelchair so the reason why
started for me on this end of it and i realized that that's the kind of person that i want to interview
because i'm learning the stuff that is not supposed to be said or they felt it wasn't and it was like
healing it's cathartic and i put that in a little box and i buried under the ground and and that
is another thing i buried you're in alice of wonderland now and there's no hope okay remember
lear said that so here's the deal with that is that healing thing and my being on this side i realized
you have to continuously reinforce prove it show the receipts and maintain it if you want a high
right now no preparation and i will give you i'll show you the receipt but i brought i brought a
different phone so i can't but anyway that is when me and my friends we have this joke we're all
receipt and it's not because we don't believe each other it's because we need to know it's true
um it needs to be reinforced like if if miracles happen chris and there is over 200 miracles
and you know because you've had your own miracle in magic but you know that there's impact in the
receipts you would collect those and you would create a book and you would tell the world so what
i'm trying to say is that that relationship that i had to a camera and then where i said and i showed
trust over and over and i buried it and i buried it and i buried it uh both hyperbole and not hyperbole at
have been the person to break that story in the big scale and everybody including fravor started telling
contagion and that spreads and it's that this guy can keep his mouth shut because the biggest part of
telling secrets is knowing how functionally and when to keep them so now with the camera situation
of a camera and if you don't don't get in front of one because you can never take that back sure that
where people lean in they do okay and some people and this is for the people out there listening some
corbell gotcha uh but i've seen jeremy corbell without the camera and i think everybody who has met jeremy
part no that's jeremy jeremy's being who he is on and off camera i can't be i have not been able to be
someone other than yeah and i can i can confirm that since i've known you like that's that's been who
you are and it's it's a quirk that i've come to appreciate it's a quirk it is a quirk oh my lord it is
like you said something to the effect of the first hour is just so you know who i am kind of deal and
when i had to watch it and endure it yeah you know i felt like and you should ask michael
understood that i mean what i say and i say what i mean and that i'm worthy of your trust i'm
trustworthy and then i realized that towards the end he shows you some and i think it's important
and i think that's why he set up the movie like that but you're gonna have to ask him sure because
hands right so at one point um i throw my hands up as a young kid and he cuts immediately to the
same position and i was like i was like what did i just see and i'm like that kid's like putting some
filmmaker and that's what i realized he's a i've been through a process with him i i said michael there's
my side i'm not gonna trust you my wife's all you gotta trust somebody and and she was right trust
is a choice the first time after that it's it's repeated so i gave him 20 years of footage and 99.9
and he's like no way he'd come back to me he goes dude it was cooler than you remembered check this
out and i was like what the so i gave him 20 years of my footage then he stuff started happening and
he's like dude we got to turn on the camera fresh i'm like i said we're not doing that and then he's
powerful man family good human worthy of your trust i only put one and i'll let him say i put
one restriction on him for the movie and i like leaving things undone so you stay curious and you
should ask him what the one condition i had was for him to make and use my 20 years of footage
you know he didn't cut around the fact you're cracking beers during this movie and you know someone
very very apparent i love her i love my whole family yeah and it's it's very very apparent and so
it was it was these small glimpses and and and they weren't i think what i i think what a relief to
me watching it was they weren't all flattering okay and i think that i think that that's good okay no i
that's not real no that's not real correct exactly and this really showed it really showed all the
to be there you know and you see you're fluffing up the pillows for him when he's shirtless on the
couch and you know all these uh type of moments yeah you know that must have been that must have
been kind of difficult to to witness and and and sit through well i loved john lear i love john lear
um towards the end and it made me really sad because even when we were friends he'd get really
mad at me and like yell you know and i couldn't find the voice messages for michael's and one thing i
is it i guess i'm just going to say it and see if michael agrees but i'm going to tell you
you may not do any movie magic you may not put anything in there that isn't 100 accurate and true
here in time today is that everything in that movie is exactly as i as i say it and as you see it and
one that with people i want to make one that seems real and is real but has a weird undertone of the
perforation and the hummingbirds touching the firmament to look like stars but i've never done that
because i started with a movie called patient 17 and i was shocked very shocked then then i started then
i went in on the you know skinwalker movie which is perplexing and then lazar so i've never been able to
make that movie i want and i think i'm done making movies right but michael's movie because it was
and honest did he achieve his goal did he get it did michael get it was he honest are you asking me
i think a knowing lie yeah but sometimes like husbands and wives they say these little pretty
lies to make the other and the other one knows that they're lying so lear is dying yeah and lear
knows he's gonna die and he's telling him you're gonna go to heaven sleeper gave him a ticket bro
amazing authentic sweet human and he's not a liar he's not a liar so when that thing came up in that
when i that really ungrounded me and in comes the anchor like the news anchor who's an anchor
and a totem pole yeah george mother yeah right after that um i was just going to say there's a
moment where that guy where you set the camera and you have him walk into the hotel and sit down
and then he immediately he goes how was that was that good you're like yeah that was great seemed
really natural and that stayed in and it's those moments that i really liked about this documentary
and he had him walk in sit down and be like did you get it yeah we got it and then nothing that's
what we're talking about and then we cut out his entire interview all we took was the authentic walk
in the sit down the trying to act normal and that's it and i i thought that was really uh endearing
and so it's those little moments that i really enjoyed michael yeah he's he's great yeah it's a
you know what you're going to get it's not at all what i thought and i liked i liked the surprise um
really interesting um you know you kind of see that back and forth banter slightly between edgar
mitchell and john lear and you know the mutual respect which he talks about but also this sort
you know um what's his face colonel john alexander and with lear eating and lear's eating wearing a
tinfoil hat at the atomic testing yes and in the back oh yes it's it's it's it's lear and and
alexander not lear and mitchell that's right yes and and we get yeah it's it's lear and colonel
john b alexander yeah and lear's there as an agent provocateur with a top hat that's like a fedora
it's a top hat that is a tinfoil hat at the atomic test museum and somebody says something like is
there food here so he's eating because that's that's the truth that's what was going on and then
and also because i just haven't watched the movie much but i believe nick pope is sitting far away
at a table sitting there and i believe i believe that maybe his first or one of his first that was
my first encounter of ever seeing or meeting him if it was that time and man he was in this bathroom
before and he was so nervous and and i had never met him so i'd seen him before obviously so he must
have been out there but he was so nervous and i look at him and i go bro are you nervous i dream of
this words just come out my mouth what a cool moment and you said jo you said um edgar mitchell
um the hour and a half phone call where he made me sit in a room with his psychic on the telephone
edgar mitchell's psychic yeah edgar mitchell had a psychic and he talked to her weekly and there's an
hour and a half which he knew was being recorded as an hour and a half of me sitting there and the
um you you know you get to see a lot of colorful personalities come in and out of uh john lear's
handshake a little handshake and most people don't know that you filmed that right because i think if
right because he was and is a thoughtful authority figure absolutely and nobody knew my face and so we
i didn't know what to ask the guy what a great opportunity yeah and it was reuben langdon who set
that all up and reuben langdon did the citizen hearing on disclosure in 2013 he is the the force
misappropriation of funds and everything that was going on came to me like a life raft said dude i need
help i need a brother like we are in a bad situation i am losing everything and i said as long as your past
that says none of this will spill over to me and you know i have my businesses my life my livelihoods
and oscar wolf so he is a guy with a story and people will see that interview online right and it
is richard dolan because he's a badass gangster knows what he's talking about and is also heartfelt
that does the interview yeah and yeah for those who don't know about this interview you should
gentleman being on his deathbed oh yeah and you know saying that he was at s4 he spoke he saw an
and um and you know had had uh cue cards with questions on him and whatnot like this whole he
it was told to us like this is the last chance and it was like a family member of his who kind of made
and what happened was this guy gets up out of his dialysis i think it was dialysis out of this thing
where he needs a machine we get him in the room he does this interview and goes right back to the hospital
a plant trying to confuse it and they're like we're going to hurt your family if you die if you don't do
it that's always an option okay but i believe from knowing the guy for this much time and being in that
room that he told it like he experienced it and knew it and that even being an older guy with health
problems he was sharp as a dagger and i can attest to that i tested him he's sharp as a dagger and he
her religious views and he is there and he does the interview that's his mic drop then he dies that is
and some people are not dead and other people are dead and yet it is not appropriate
nor did they ask me to put stuff out that's just buried and here's why let me just defend myself
what people might not yet understand until the words are spoken and hopefully they do is that
when somebody tells you a secret and tells you to keep it secret unless you can't anymore then you do
and to be sorry i'm gonna bring it out of dr seuss world right now be very direct with you
american and global public since they could hold it back ufos what they represent what they're a part of
they will be quiet they will not be the ones you expect and there's a reason they're put in that
position because they are worthy of your trust they are trustworthy and usually if it's military
they were born into that position because their fathers were trusted with this secret and sometimes
you know they procreate and you know that their kin are also in a position of trust so you release this
and i get chills right do you understand does your audience understand i'm sure they do so sometimes
they're just all they're seeing is their own big ass shadow thinking it was their daddy's and that's
the thing i've noticed i got a musician friend and his dad's got a gigantic
shadow bro and so this musician guy you know was kind of thought he was living in his his father's
shadow but indeed he's now realized thank god that it was his own big ass shadow and so now you're
train yeah i like dynamic conversations and some people but we're not being sporadic right i don't
so okay and love the audience by the way yeah yeah i'm not trying to be a dick to the audience i think
not a nepo baby so all of this is your brain and and you're gonna say and the the team of people i work
with and yeah mostly mine i'll say mostly mine impressive to see what you've created
don't thank you thank you and i won't as long as uh my creative passion keeps getting fulfilled
okay and my my love for being creative is is renewed then i will continue being creative and passionate
which was really interesting and you know there's that moment where you're in the woods with bob
mm-hmm and bob go and you ask him flat out you know did you have a piece of 115 yeah and bob says
new and i think that's you know funny if people think so um bob's told you it's it's all over
everywhere at one point if you believe bob lazar he had a piece and how we know that is george knapp
and there's no secret that bob had a piece of 115 at one point right um he even at one point um
in that so you asked me about that day though and that's a can so let's just open it okay
one day he says are you coming out or not essentially and i was like yeah yeah i'll come
out to michigan let's do that but i didn't want to ask and then get denied so i really carefully just
took my one camera and i put it underneath all my clothes and i went out there and it's like this
really awkward thing and i'm there it's late at night and there's joy and the pups and we're there
and i'm in the living room i remember this and then finally i just said bob like why why am i here
and he goes what do you mean and i'm like are you gonna let me now turn on the camera so that the
world can hear from you and not the about you from other people he goes of course that's why we're
here and it was this weird thing where i had become friends with him but i didn't want to
two cameras and we filmed on that particular trip you're asking about was like a breakthrough it was
like he was ready to throw down for himself and you have to rewind the tape bro i mean he had never
talked like he did in that room with me and john lear he had never asserted himself in that way on
duplicate we cannot replicate and we never have been able to now he goes i was inside one now i was
so now there i am and we're we're doing it which you know which means like fourth of july we take my
cool ass drone that i brought and we try to explode it you know with like fireworks but then
we walk into the woods and you know woods meaning like on his property there and this was the day
him by the way um my car just uh took a that night and it's never to be retrieved again i tried for six
took a shit never get it back and when i say took a shit i'll tell the truth i think i hit delete i
was so nervous that night oh no and just yeah i deleted it so there you go truth's out nobody asked
out perfect it did work out yeah so we're in the woods and just real talk you know um got a camera
you know put the phones way way way way far away we talked about a lot of stuff and that's for bob
the movie since i put it out but that clip and others i've put out that were kind of hit the
and it happened and if you don't understand that you're not seeing reality what happened next is
i film for another day and we're at his um store call it like it is a laboratory and a store
it was in michigan and i pack up the camera say goodbye get on the plane get home i arrive at burbank
airport it's late really late so i go stay at my mom's place in encino and all of a sudden my phone
and like george knapp being like motherfucker i told you this would happen motherfucker because
they're protective of bob and then there's this guy saying like talk loudly talk loudly bam bam bam bam
real i didn't make that up for my movie and everybody said that everybody said i staged an fbi raid for my
have to ask bob and then if he wants to tell you he'll tell you okay but um essentially
because in new mexico they raided they raided him and the the the reason that they gave was like
the reason they were able to do that was because they were being do-girders and said well we got
this company and we're shipping all of these things and we might as well file the paperwork because
i think there's a new law coming they were ahead of the curve yeah and that exposed them to the
that it was for element 115 it's not a retraction it's a refinement i am convinced and there's reason
going through stuff put it that way they even mirrored his computer which was very interesting to me and bob
they're saying he got raided because some chick died because of some material and this guy was a
friends in the fbi and i asked them is this usual nope is this normal nope is this protocol nope you
just what you do is you walk in and you say hey mr lazar there was somebody that died from a super heavy
element or not you know sorry died from a rare element that is toxic and we see that you know you on
in these little collectors packs right that you can buy anywhere so you call them and you say can i
have the list of your clients and what exactly what they ordered that are associated with this federal
case and then lazar goes of course of course you can right that's not what happened they locked his
shit down with in a tiny ass town way smaller than your snow globe way smaller and they locked that
shit down and they tore it apart they went through everything mirrored his computer it's like beyond
where they're assisting federal and if you look at that report what you're going to find out
was the day before and the day of both his home and his business had the opportunity to be surveilled
this um he go i go bob are you like worried at all for your like personal safety and and maybe i'll
find this clip now and i could put this out if bob says okay but basically you know he says no i just
that out holy was he wrong was he wrong and we all who when we love somebody we care about them as a
friend we all want them to have what they want if it's good for him and for lazar it's peace right so
do or is it the best thing that he could do and i'm going with that yeah i think i think you know
everything that way you can just leave me alone and you know that he's wrong yeah because it's just
the flame of people's curiosity but i also think it's a valiant effort on his behalf and a very brave
step to take uh to a relive everything uh b dig it up and let people go through it again
and and c try to go on with his merry existence um you know post releasing um a massive you know
that and this is before the movie comes out yeah we're going to know by the time this airs if it was
coming and um yeah i think he knows that and i think he's uh you know like we'll we'll definitely
see what happens but you know there is no better antiseptic than daylight in a lot of these cases and
and that's bob's number one reason for coming out in the first place in 1989 was george
exactly just put it out there and i think that's his way of doing that again in a way that like also
you know good riddance if if that's the case and if they're uh they'll never be satisfied but if
some of them you know end up if i could say this you know and the movie's been as people have seen
it but anyone on the fence anyone on the fence at this point watches that movie and goes oh no i
haven't seen it yeah and i don't know and you will see it i know but anyone on the fence is now you
it's true and my joke is oh bob look what if everybody did believe you how horrible that would
flying fuck what you believe i know that's true and so i anyway just look um but all this is in the
past because the movie's already out time dilation and uh and it's already out there and and and bob's
doing well yeah you know yeah we could say that because we're in the future now and bob's doing well
it is so that um it's all out there it's honest it will leave people with big questions and they should
and one card well there's a few okay i want to yeah well i want to get to that as well um
obviously the culmination and the pinnacle sort of moment the the critical mass of this movie the
now you're sitting in some abandoned park you crack open the laptop i remember and now we get to see
and here's the interesting part too this is a little subtlety to you know how guarded you are about this
no you you see the footage but and it's not about the footage yeah but you don't do you see the actual
then there are some things you punch i think it goes back in and it gives you what you think you want
did you notice how i am dyslexic and misspelled the word three times i did not anyway i did
i'm like and the the funny thing was this no don't change anything it has to be true and and and so
concern that as journalists we believe we are living under the the first amendment right and we
also believe that we have been pretty trusted because we haven't fucked up and we don't intend to
and that we have a methodical multi-year process not just to protect sources which is the a number one
like the truth matters and that's our duty as journalists so george and i did make a decision
and you actually got to see the moment that decision was made that was real that happened just like you
saw it and we made that decision so yes chris ramsey of course after the movie comes out
yeah you paused the screen didn't oh yeah oh fuck i knew people were gonna do that yeah and and there's
time yeah and i am not qualified as my lawyer would say to understand its value or not value um
or it's been read and by who by our government who is our you know who it's our government or by an
cyber security at los alamos national laboratory when they died um his son mailed something to me and
that's what you see at a beginning early scene in the movie and that that's real yeah the aerial
anomalies and atmospheric atmospheric anomalies was one tiny little file thing tucked away which is what
the old schoolers used to do is they took their ufo files and used to call them atmospheric anomalies
of like yeah paper yeah yeah did you read the words oh yeah okay talk and um it's it's it's it's alluding
does the symbiotic relationship mean yeah you get something and you give in return and you're both
grasshopper i think and takes over its brain and makes it go drowned that's not symbiotic no that's
parasitic oh thank god yeah i would say symbiotic would be more like the hippopotamus and those little
them but you always hold something back as a magician sure and you do that for two reasons
to sniff out and as your right are usually your right punch or sometimes your left hook
and everybody knows this bomb is coming but then the other ones the hook or the uppercut you hide those
recently people will see on that if they you know watch that if they look at the clock and pay attention
i think there's sodium pentothal in this um not enough and 115. not enough apparently
friend and be like dude answer my question yeah i will um and you're doing no you're doing a good job
are the most evasive are like my everyday i eat them for breakfast lunch and dinner i call people
who are in the intelligence community and they have a job to do and sometimes they're trying to get
dirt on me so that they can manipulate that later or and also sometimes people just have a duty
and they tell me they're going to do something really great for ufos they're going to find the truth
and then you know nine months into these conversations my lawyers like do not talk with that agency and
or other biochemicals have been disposed of at this site and to determine the presence and or extent of any
soil and groundwater contamination that may be the result of materials disposed of at this site
i have and george has for many many years we got to a point where obviously we believe at least that
and then i know that there was a reaction uh in that room and i obviously somebody thought that fake or
from personal experience not in this case because uh the duration of which i sit on material and bullet
test it and go as far as i can and then i can't go any further without compromising things so i get to
setting passage material okay there we go so for your audience and that that is also real
and i'm like okay this is not passage material but that's too on the nose what's going on i don't
and is that is that what we're seeing at the end of this frame here is that like all these other
thoughtfully and that's hard for me sometimes what you see is what you get dude from the heart to the
the movie for what purpose and the other core question is probably do you trust it am i accurate are
and investigation and i have reached my limit for now and i am hoping that with the tiny bit that is there
we're going to learn what's true and not true about that page is this the biggest
happen really yeah um and not not just i'm not talking about just me and george knapp you know
news and i said there are three first-hand people willing to raise their hands now we can debate all day
aerospace disposal and if you were to infiltrate their ranks
you would find out that it is a known thing that there are what they'll call organic and inorganic
often say so they're like basically manufactured beings right and they're cybernetic so they're they're
they're organic to me cybernetic means like wires and stuff because oh maybe it does because they're
people that transport from california in and i've seen them these buildings that um are nondescript and
they have like high security and you would never know what goes on in those buildings unless you get
people that go inside and those people that go inside and full hazmat suits right sometimes they
will do a cleanup and they will package it up and now depending on its classification they will then
create lists and the lists if it's unclassified material it's a very specific type of thing 3.3
um dugway where they have a special burner and that burner is a non um what is it called uh like
it permeates out whatever the word is okay um um there's a word a really good word and it basically
means it doesn't leave that containment okay so even to the point we'd crush up the carbon filters and
right and you know you talk to people who have done this for their lives and they're part of this
little club and they'll walk in with like a full-on hazmat and where's the bathroom i mean it's like
right out of a comedy right like where's the bathroom and then like people inside they don't see
there and then they're showing you a sphere that's just hovering and you're like how does that happen
to talk to that are new faces right yeah so then you you collect this stuff and then you take it out
let's say to doug way um the town there's this burner out there and you got a list that doesn't say
shit because it's you know because the classification and you just you know you wouldn't really know tons
of you know all the chemicals you deal with you know organic and inorganic compounds which we'll
figure out later and you take it i'd be like well so what's the deal what's the deal if it's a known
secret that you are moving what you're saying are alien organic and inorganic compounds we're not talking
like rocket fuel that needs to be like you know perfectly fixed and you know run off from this or
like how do you know that that is true and somebody would say something like and i'm and i'm like why
destruction so like why and they would say something exactly like because of its ability
to alter human dna and i would be like in a barbershop getting a haircut being like what um can you say
keep their mouths shut and human beings are the greatest leak to security than any document photo
image video it's always human beings and there are consequences there are consequences to um speaking
outside of school and sometimes they're covert sometimes they're overt sometimes they're inert or
they appear to be but there are consequences and sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel
that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs
and destroy your humanity and i've seen that pain in people's eyes and it's not a way to live man
and that's what's at stake with the ufo game all right jeremy thank you we're going to answer some
join and become a member one of the many perks that you get is you're able to potentially have one of
your questions answered by our guests which we post in the discord and then you can go see that so the
adversarial and foreign nations assets and i don't i do not have that in fact i have nothing
and i've made sure of that i have nothing nothing at home nothing on my phone nothing on my computers
i have seen it so have other people that you know and i'm not talking about one piece of footage
one piece i learned this a long time ago george knapp and i released absolute scientific evidence
of instantaneous motions the first time in your life and mine and the world's that publicly there's a
piece of footage that has precedent has origin it has uh pedigree and it is military filmed and it
shows you instantaneous motion now i could look i could be wrong one day and i'm trying i'm asking
important and i think it will be seen that way in history or i'm wrong and guess what if i'm wrong
so was our entire intelligence community within the united states and so i feel like i've put pretty
crushing weight of the cumulative footage and i hope the public gets to see more and better i'm gonna
that's clear as i'll promise you this if i ever saw obtained and was able to release clear as day
independence day hilarious um piece of footage and even if it's not clear as day i would release it
you know i get that there's sensitive areas and then you can't give that up fine i'm resigned to
there's spheres and that you've seen yes you've seen clear hundred percent how clear are we talking
uh all five observables okay i showed you one george and i've shown you one clear as day let's
let people dissect that first and make sure it is okay um military footage is always going to be
of heat and then you've got full motion video and then you have sometimes satellites which take
satellite to come in and like read a coke can they say in the 80s sure okay so that exists and
you but there's this video of and this gets brought up a lot in these discussions and these debates
right and it's like blasting something but it's so clear it's like the clearest 4k footage you can see
and we're seeing this from an airplane and yet the footage that we get is like uh why do you think
um immaculate constellation i'm with you right i i don't know i don't know why and that's part of the
we go um so i get calls from kids and their their one sole job is to look at live feeds of reaper
drones and they work at i don't know wright patterson let's say it's a good place generic they do a lot
of that there and these kids will say to me holy um you're so reachable i'm like yeah that's the point
and they're like well check it out um first time in my career i know i'm young but like you know for 10
years i've been you know had this job and this is the first time in 10 years when we saw clear as day
discs ufos and they were doing this crazy and there was a whole bunch of them
and we we don't know how to classify them what do you write so we debated inside of this skiff for
four three four hours we finally come up with the designation and we're writing it down and we just
want to replay it one more time and for the first time in 10 years you normally can go back in 10
almost real time i go back to thinking what matthew brown said if he's telling us the way it is and if
he's right which are two different things the way it is is he understands if he's right and he said that
critical infrastructure facility that has to do with energy and i got word that there was lifting out
footage because you need security at this facility and a pyramid comes up pyramid by triangular by angle
of the water rotates i think that's 90 degrees goes over this base and hovers for maybe 10 hours whoa
goes back goes into the water and there's what's called the honeywell system okay at this that is
used by a department of energy and then the honeywell system sits this file and it's like burning a hole
in the brain of a new a number of people remember during the height of all this so george and i we
contact fbi because they we see in the papers they they're being stonewalled and we say look we have
an individual who knows that you're being stonewalled and thinks you need something
this person's in agreement that they trust me and george so we better not this up if there's
dance and finally it's like yes we can do this dance and the second that they said yes we can do this
dance and i go for this dance to be done and this is like high high trust that i have yeah with somebody
i care about and love understood okay when the agreement is made
and i just found out by the doe so think about that i'm setting you up for your answer now okay
why don't you see it well george and i have given you 13 assets what's different about those 13 assets
is very small for most of it but it gets bigger and bigger when things get when products get
and finally what comes after d uh fmv e
don't need our government and our military to figure out the truth they don't know the truth
and that's that's the bottom line bottom line is what do you tell people if you don't know and what if
know and you why would you eloquently answered that question i find myself frustrated regardless of
the answer well join the club i know um and i'm not even that that frustrated i'm vocalizing the
good question by kazan kazane cool name kazane thank your mama and papa god man you make me whenever i
ask george that question one day too see if he has the same answer and he goes no of course not
warn you before and they say hall of mirrors man nothing is as it appears how you doing i mean i'm
i i do um and i have cause to believe that what cause
people that know far more about it than i do who i trust and shouldn't have um mentioned to me
man that's a real human man yeah with real family and there's a pattern of people disappearing and
their bodies being found later because exposure oftentimes masks causality of death um and it's
fucked up and there are cases the public doesn't know about and george and i are on a couple of them
and some of them are older right but um it's a pattern and it's it's really gnarly and i will say
that um there are people who if they weren't dead were willing to testify um and they would have testified
um and i don't know like you would probably well you mentioned that in the movie i did that someone
and i don't know if they're related but it's horrible fucking timing
personally and my wife told me um you make your own decisions and you have to um you have to contend
and they're full on adults and they have to contend with that that's right so i can't hold that and i'm
not personally close to any of those cases i've been asked to be close to them and i i don't feel it's
can i say more so you know it really bothers me i i've i've said more and i guess i haven't said it
like 2027 or 2036 you know leave a big window so everybody has to guess and if it doesn't happen 2027
then you know we have them until 2036. i think that is absolute and my cause to believe
and i just said it out loud when i was in front of cameras because i can't be
game because here's the deal i already know your question and um not overtly no to answer your question
seven books that i will not read because i've mapped out the network of people who have who said it and
it's almost as if i could go through my memory and type in a word do you think avi lobe was
implicated in this as well it's almost as if i could go into my memory and type in a word and cross
i do not trust it to be actual and real in fact i know the origin of at least the mythology which
i could be wrong right that's mine and george's joke sure you know i am adamant you you you have
uh intuition this ain't my first rodeo and i've seen this movie before now now hold on one second
don't have but yeah i just um look and again if i'm wrong who cares would be the greatest day of my
that the reason this messaging has percolated to yours and my ears and the public's is because that's
don't know because no one talks straight about it you know i have straight up asked people and it's all
see saying nothing and it feels like just passage material i don't know but i would i would tell you
this you're never going to be told the truth straight by any government agency and not just because
and untruth to their behest that is the goal and what's your goal my goal and what when their goal is
to shape the narrative what's your goal oh my goal is to try to dig as deep as i can and find out what
the truth is that's my goal jeremy corbell thank you brother friend thank you friend yeah appreciate you and
i appreciate you coming here and opening up and and uh yeah wishing you lots of luck and safety and
to do an interview where i feel stress and pressure