So there we go. I get a package.
So this is not the only piece of paper that was...
So have other people that you know.
So I think I have a little fear in me right now.
So I'm like trying to speak thoughtfully.
So in 2008, on the 4th of July, I was on a boat with my father, who's in the Federal Aviation Administration, two retired commercial pilots and a current commercial pilot.
You're so loud in my head, Ramsey.
So this.
So this is me.
But then the headphones makes it so that you're kind of, it's like, kind of like blinders for your ears.
So your question was, what's the difference of a real skiff?
So let's go there.
what's out there in the natural world is is very limited like extremely limited so no satellite
low visual so not satellite but that asset they didn't know that we were and could see them so
satellites looking at that so so strategic surprise is one of the greatest um threats that we
participate with dealing with on a daily basis as as a nation and as five eyes so when you have the
is a compressed amount of time of course yeah so you get like the sentence that means the paragraph so
everything to everybody um or even anything to anybody yeah but you got to take a shot right so
so george knapp and i were doing this dance of like well so i personally will testify but what i have to
say is not important so saying is not important for me it is giving and showing 12 assets now the thing
is and here's the dance how do you get into a locked room and you're a puzzle man so maybe you figure
do a lot of harm not just to yourself to other people to our nation that kind of thing so let's just
interesting thing so but they got to know that something is there wait so anybody who's been
type and so instead of generating clips over and over you're working from a fixed starting point and
like it's not at your home sure your home gets raided it's not on your phone so if your phone gets
taken so you oh i see you have access right because it's been in front of your eyes and you
predict i understand so how do you then because you know in order for me to testify my condition
so how do you get in there and bring something because by the time you're bringing something you've
got something so you have something right okay then let's say you're there first of all you're a
for better because they trust you sure and the one thing i am worthy of is people's trust so here we go
layer just to you tell me how you get out of this escape room okay so now i've got a conundrum
okay so i'm told by national security people after months and months and months of doing this dance
so with that said i've got this responsibility and i'm like cool let's let's see this through
let's set this up so we get notified that there is a skiff and it's under my terms and conditions
spelling okay this spelling okay the georgian i can do that so then imagine this all set up and by the
so it was for that and then what happens is i get a call i'm in the showers from a congressional person
so i called my lawyer my federal lawyer who is chuck mccullough the third and in that conversation
know no it's not you don't think so no i know so they're supposed to be a mutual trust for example
testify now this is highly sensitive because you're not going to choose 10 so i'm revealing to you out of
52 cards you know 10 cards but you can only play with six so i'm like there are four people that
will be exposed that don't need to be so i've got one rule if you ever break it i'm never doing this
repercussions or reprisals i said they went after them so that means a few different things play the
have seen it temporal dial so i'm gonna skip and chris ramsey has a clock right there but it's it's
like a month no so two months away no no may 12th oh may 12th is may 12th the bubble burst okay well
take care of my wife he seems really really concerned he was um for good reason and and so
what does that look like help me understand right so it's insidious and that's the best word that i can
just almost seemingly inert and it's really so i would like to break that down for you
dylan raised his hand and got all the way there and he testified so clearly i'm not talking about him
and um we're so now talking to though diet time dilation we're not completely through that yet
mm-hmm so that just started being opened by the time this airs it might have been i hope i hope exposed
i hope well i don't know man this is going to take a little while i apologize for this so
we have dirty laundry right so i i don't know that's interesting and so this section of the podcast
might be sped up to nonsense because i don't know let's find out so now let me answer your question
yeah not to blame the whole agency right sure right so so what does that look like well i think the way
same way kind of like that depending on the agency each agency has a persona so you can you can say
so what does it look like what depends on who you're asking about so
arrow is beholden to odni and i could be wrong by the way so i'm just a bearded guy with tattoos who
has a great mentor i get things wrong all the time so i'm telling you now i believe this to be the case
when i think about it later i'm going to change my answer so if odni if odni is running
to have a distinct odor feel and smell so the way arrow goes about it is they will have um for example
i decline to interview with you because i have said so i'm going somebody that did testify right now to
active navy so then arrow after the fact under odni that is my impression they would call him
i'm just interested in events right so senior chief wiggins would then be asked like so who was with
because it's not a classified situation right so now you've got this weird kind of pressurization
isn't real right they're they're wishing because they don't know and that's what's so cool they don't
know so they're trying to create a situation to pressurize him why because ultimately they want
to have they want to be able to shape the emerging uap narrative so they want to have control of any
gotta put out the fires the no they need to do a contr have control of the burn so so that is one way
when i brought when i kept commander that's so subtle like it feels i'm telling you the subtle
menacing and then the superior says well what happens because the navy's so they got the backs
of their sailors they got the backs of them that's true that's fact about the navy so then the we'll
say senior person i don't want to identify rank or whatever um they'll say so what happens if he
okay okay so they will go to like just flexing that they have a direct line and you know his
position yeah the secretary of war okay so that was their flex which made me fucking laugh i got it
possibly do because it's such bullshit yeah so now we're in the thick of that that's like i'll tell the
play the tape back okay so that is like the most simple version of inert right now you've got we're
kind of been vague and i just want to know what exactly goes on with these interactions so so it is
inert and we're going to move to um i think we'll move to covert okay so so covert um or should it was the
other one i said um overt overt we can go to overt let's go overt and then covert okay so overt
okay so you get like a bunch of those you don't know where that's coming from let's keep going
you know it's fine so you are so used to this that you go to the bar because you know all the locals
10 years never seen this guy so you buy a beer and you put the beer down right next to the guy
and you're like cool so
so that is very overt intimidation especially when you can find out later
something for myself yeah for my own so you may or may not have found out who that was for my own sanity
sure okay so i'm not trying to be evasive give me the soda could you could you take this guy in a
so especially when when when your friend follows that guy because he can read and was hanging out by
so that's overt would you consider that overt what when you when you called him out for
i'm just moving it through over yeah you were like get out of here so no no i didn't say get out of it
he said he said you said yeah so let's just let's just leave it at that okay i want to move forward
that's fine works okay i understand so i have to put myself there visually yeah but i've already moved
on so so now jeremy first of all as someone who spent time with you like i understand you don't have
your brain works okay and i think they can appreciate it and i think uh you know just just so that you don't
don't answer questions of course but i need to take you somewhere so that you really understand it
you're pretty good at putting a pen in things okay so now here we are would you consider i've given you
two now would you consider that overt i would consider that somewhere between covert and over right so now
now we're there it was covert before it was over okay it became very overt yeah okay but so now i
so let's say you're standing somewhere and somebody mark bumps into you and marks you let's just
you're bumping you next thing you know you're wearing a pin okay so then later you come to
understand the meaning of that pin right and so that is overt even though yeah nothing is quite said
now so there's another version we're getting into the real covert yeah we got to look around our
best just i'm making sure the camera's rolling i know so i'm giving you cover yeah okay i'm trying
that's right that the screen's gonna go out okay boom all screens going okay so so now we're kind
poof you're gone you're mccaslin poof you're gone you're so and so poof you're a guy at los alamos
gets killed so the worst thing you could do is um like stab dylan borland in the neck 20 times
uh you know in public because then that would make a lot of questions so if you really were trying to
that's a big message oh it's a big message too right so it would be covert and the best way to get
a result is to have people do it for you without them even knowing it how do you mean okay so you've
got somebody that is mentally unstable and already dislikes chris rams we're gonna put it on you so
you can feel it okay okay so this guy is a ufo fanatic and this guy is unstable and this guy
to intelligence but he fucking hates you and he ain't rap so teddy but that's why they chose him in
my brain um karyaku john karyaku something so this guy was famously cia and fbi tried to entrap him
because he told the truth to the world that we were waterboarding and torturing people so he served
because it was the right thing to do and he'd do it again right so kind of reeling me back in to the
story about you so you've got somebody now that has close ties to intelligence who is not a loose cannon
bright idea to really hurt you right so now that person is as an emissary doing what's wanted by these
tactics you know is very reminiscent of like mk ultra uh type you know behavior as well so i've heard
by like some credible so the answer is yes okay hold on let me process the time dilation and if i can
check that with me yeah 100 okay so i'll speak freely ask my mom
and so there's there's some i don't want to reveal certain words because then all of a sudden
that's the agency you can imagine but so imagine i mean there's not too many agencies here imagine you
up in a tabloid called dirt.com okay so um and only two people know because you bought it in a blind llc
not what you thought it was so let's reel it back so the person who paid for the ad is a member of an
agency so i can't prove that right but that's your hunch i would say i would say i know okay i still can't
prove that okay okay so but yeah whatever it doesn't matter sure um but but here's the deal but that's
the chris ramsey threat and my mom and my wife so you're sitting there and the fbi is informing you
um you know more lives than than are publicly even disclosed and so that's a that's freedom of
so when you say that yeah what do you mean by that because when i hear that i hear that a lot it was
as a real threat because it feels the same sure okay so to the person oh absolutely you you need
bunch of people right you also need to have evidence and proof and so you and you have to live that
recorded audio video pushed up to the cloud spread out on servers encrypted and then spread out so
anybody could see it if you ever say so or want them to so you you're saying that you have threats
so you the movie opens with if i recall with a cia veteran yes so let me let me show you the shape
well i have tools these are all tools for me to remember yeah you're good at that so my memory
is this here's cia um so cia if you if if you if you meet with them and you know first they try to
not on you sure okay they don't like that so much so then they're like well to enroll you they want
to give you incentive okay so what does that look like it's transactional bro it's simple you know
maybe ten thousand dollars a time now you have to understand too i'm a i'm a journalist so i have
different rules that i have to play by and they have different rules in order to contact me so some
but i mean that's supposed to be the nsa okay yeah you know more than i do so here we go i mean i you
know i don't know i just know that's a fact so you know the thing is people will get paid just to go
memorize streets when i'm here you know but when it comes down to money so cia is the most covert they're
do so at first it's like enroll you if they can't enroll you because you're already enrolled you want
you know it's a transactional thing but you're like oh but i'm i'm a journalist and so yeah 100
can do is make you uncomfortable so an example of that would be um you know you buy a house on a blind
might try to do this to you that to you but we you know we can like look out for you so you know let
live that way so you got right they all eyes open you make a joke you say it out loud you
about my dogs first you're making jokes making jokes so then that's like oh you better report
friend taking a photo of the instagram of the girl when she's talking to you so you then look
at the instagram profile have her assumed name pass it on to doj okay so all of a sudden you've got
that seems exhausting for me yeah yeah oh dude bro i'm done living like that so so that's part of why
that card's right here chris hmm okay that one's not supposed to be in the deck so now
finish it with this little honey pots not just that we're talking all types of actions so let me put it
talking ufo oh yeah i'm oh my 100 percent massively invested in weirdo land so i i so if you say if you
got a fire burning in your brain and i'm going to try to put it out with gasoline right now so let's
just finish this because this is way heavier than i wanted to start with yeah so i want to like reverse
memory that can be transmitted at any time verbatim so just know that about him as well because he
always talking on speakerphone so just know that about him so that's how you approach right so you have
to understand and now you do is that there is an upside down and thank god there is and it's so
funny again because they should be i agree yeah so that that's just now that we've done the heavy
it is hard for people because people now you're conscious of the camera and so you become self
conscious and all of this so one of the i get it yeah so a great way to go beyond that is you know this
to do if they're cognizant if the camera's around so what we would do is uh the camera would be filming
and so we had a code word for cut instead of being someone else you had a code word for cut so we had we
had a code word for cut so when we said cut it wasn't cut it was cameraman relax and look away
uh it was great uh so wow it was amazing you know and then we're like oh we can't use that
we need authenticity and so we go all right we got it cut and then we go like wasn't that crazy they go
oh my god that was so insane and they'd open up while we're filming sort of slouched and so what i'm
sure you want so what happened with john lear yeah with john lear it was much of the same the first of
eating and he was always when he's eating he's so consumed by what he's eating he's just like
i'm ever gonna talk about this movie right so i want to talk about this movie and about michael okay
so michael lazowski about being natural um so i wanted to ask you a question about being natural
know me and i have a purpose and i use the camera like a weapon so if i go on a new show i use that
problem for people who are afraid of how they're being perceived exactly yeah so if you're why do we why
brain a second fear of not being loved okay is it also fear so yes and is it also fear of being
hated and ridiculed same one in the same thing i consider the same thing yeah okay so we're saying
the same thing yeah oh so agreed now we can move on yeah okay um so i mean that was a really nice
kitchen with his wheelchair is that my head and then you go on with the wheelchair so the reason why
they told me that they had never even told their wife or their family so my experience with a camera
lear said that so here's the deal with that is that healing thing and my being on this side i realized
different phone so i can't but anyway that is when me and my friends we have this joke we're all
receipts you would collect those and you would create a book and you would tell the world so what
that time um what happens is that gets around so when i kept commander fravor's secret when i could
telling secrets is knowing how functionally and when to keep them so now with the camera situation
is something you can never take back so anyway with that said now go back to your say in a funny moment
gift of gab whether you think so or not you have the ability to tell a story in a very entertaining manner
like you said something to the effect of the first hour is just so you know who i am kind of deal and
artistic choices as well the lighting the music like okay so let's pick one so like i noticed the
hands right so at one point um i throw my hands up as a young kid and he cuts immediately to the
is a choice the first time after that it's it's repeated so i gave him 20 years of footage and 99.9
i didn't give him stuff but i gave him 99 of it so he watched it all so when i told him a story
out and i was like what the so i gave him 20 years of my footage then he stuff started happening and
like we got to turn on the camera fresh i'm like i got to trust you it was a trust exercise so that
one restriction on him for the movie and i like leaving things undone so you stay curious and you
very very apparent i love her i love my whole family yeah and it's it's very very apparent and so
parts so i was really i was kind of really appreciative watching it from that lens to
first time so that was kind of i'm going to give you a hint that was kind of the only condition
have that message from john so now you're getting a little insight into what i had said earlier back
i went in on the you know skinwalker movie which is perplexing and then lazar so i've never been able to
lies to make the other and the other one knows that they're lying so lear is dying yeah and lear
sure he gave him a ticket so i felt like that was a knowing lie i hope that's how the movie portrays
amazing authentic sweet human and he's not a liar he's not a liar so when that thing came up in that
movie it made me kind of squirm but i'm kind of going like well that's true too so i just wanted to
caveat that before your audience is going to see it so i got a caveat that which is that
but i do that too it's like um i make sure like i give somebody what they're looking for so i don't
and so it's those little moments that i really enjoyed michael yeah he's he's great yeah it's a
there food here so he's eating because that's that's the truth that's what was going on and then
before and he was so nervous and and i had never met him so i'd seen him before obviously so he must
have been out there but he was so nervous and i look at him and i go bro are you nervous i dream of
right because he was and is a thoughtful authority figure absolutely and nobody knew my face and so we
and oscar wolf so he is a guy with a story and people will see that interview online right and it
type situation he was in so think about this this guy is going to gain nothing you know unless he's
you know they procreate and you know that their kin are also in a position of trust so you release this
and i get chills right do you understand does your audience understand i'm sure they do so sometimes
so you're getting ahead in life yeah but sometimes people are highly qualified to receive that of course
that people use that's what i feel in that yeah it not always but sometimes it is i think so okay
shadow bro and so this musician guy you know was kind of thought he was living in his his father's
shadow but indeed he's now realized thank god that it was his own big ass shadow and so now you're
to you for you to do it so this is rubik's cube bro yeah he's he's uh he's got some good thoughts um
so okay and love the audience by the way yeah yeah i'm not trying to be a dick to the audience i think
know um you mean you self-made you mean daddy teal no daddy let me ask you something so your brain
not a nepo baby so all of this is your brain and and you're gonna say and the the team of people i work
it's the same trajectory exactly yeah so these are all manifestations of a singular thing that all those
new and i think that's you know funny if people think so um bob's told you it's it's all over
kilmore um genius real genius do you remember that 80s movie no i don't you're welcome so you're welcome
real genius the movie so this is straight out of that so lazar does a test right um it is no secret
that at one time bob bizarre had obtained a piece of 115. so yeah in in the movie where i fast forwarded
in that so you asked me about that day though and that's a can so let's just open it okay
so i'd been filming with bob a bunch but that wasn't easy we're not going to get into that
out to michigan let's do that but i didn't want to ask and then get denied so i really carefully just
and he goes what do you mean and i'm like are you gonna let me now turn on the camera so that the
disrespect that moment i wasn't sure why it's obvious i guess now so i had my camera my one or
so now there i am and we're we're doing it which you know which means like fourth of july we take my
months so you know that's kind of funny right first entire day of course at his labs yeah yeah
was so nervous that night oh no and just yeah i deleted it so there you go truth's out nobody asked
so i never had was that really you or was that something acting through you you know bro it worked
out perfect it did work out yeah so we're in the woods and just real talk you know um got a camera
have to ask him if he wants to even talk about it so there's nothing that you see in my movie bob
airport it's late really late so i go stay at my mom's place in encino and all of a sudden my phone
opportunity to raid them under that you see the word okay so then now so i'll put it i am convinced
i'll leave it there so now they mirror his computer
in these little collectors packs right that you can buy anywhere so you call them and you say can i
if he ever did have possession he would never have it in michigan right you know what i mean so so there
know like in your mind so so my point is that day you asked i just described to you that day that's
friend we all want them to have what they want if it's good for him and for lazar it's peace right so
going to make people more hungry oh uh come on bro you know that's true well or not i i so i see it
flying fuck what you believe i know that's true and so i anyway just look um but all this is in the
about the movie about me oh yeah right that michael made sure so i'm just um i think the reason to do
it is so that um it's all out there it's honest it will leave people with big questions and they should
right so okay let me start this again you're at the park bench you crack open the laptop you put
i'm like and the the funny thing was this no don't change anything it has to be true and and and so
some of it was a first of all we're talking about footage so when we've missed the mark
so let's no i want to i want to talk about the footage first okay so the footage yeah you should
have recognized some of it already i have yeah okay so that tells you that some of it was worthy
like the truth matters and that's our duty as journalists so george and i did make a decision
saw it and we made that decision so yes chris ramsey of course after the movie comes out
sensitivity so i have to take time to make sure that i do no harm right that happens all the time
to me i have become a guy that people do that now when a package comes torn it makes me wonder so i have
adversarial government right so there we go i get a package now this is from the person who is head of
which is pretty cool yeah what uh howard menzel would call yeah sure but anyway so then you're talking
so that what i also found interesting is that there's phone numbers on the bottom of that did you
because or an uppercut something you don't see coming right so the jab puts people at distance
a little bit because they they have so many knockouts from those right so as a journalist you always keep
away i want to i'll take a second here because of time dilation i'm going to put this phone this way so
like would you say would it be a politician they're not not public so so the yeah the interviews that
dirt on me so that they can manipulate that later or and also sometimes people just have a duty
fuck dude i hope i'm doing okay all right got it here so epa form 2070-12 attached epa what does that
aliens is used so flippantly here it's not biologicals it's not yeah you know extra tempestual it's
paper to be shown is you're saying help you're saying so did you look at the file structures there
were some that were like high confidence or verified uap there was a bunch of names in there so this one
through unsecure fashions okay so right a document like that would come in that's an official document
confidential into another confidential area you're reading between the lines yeah okay so there we are
where it comes to a journalist so that's a big risk to take for yeah that's uh that's a crime here
you smuggled something out of a skiff so that's real now the other side of the coin is i also know
test it and go as far as i can and then i can't go any further without compromising things so i get to
setting passage material okay there we go so for your audience and that that is also real
this is not that right this is not passage material so now i am spinning i'm spinning right
like bank account numbers to black programs you'd imagine so if i imagined that so this is not the
biologics that are in this folder right so there's quite a few yeah cache number four wow cache number four
mm-hmm so as time progresses you never revisit a cache unless you have to okay um
so as you add to caches um your files grow bigger right so i think i have a little fear in me right now
so i'm just i'm i'm not stuttering i'm trying not to stutter so i'm like trying to speak
mouth no filter but i'm trying to put a little filter here so your core question is maybe why is that in
those two important questions to you yeah those are both things i'm curious about okay so
that is a true statement that is a factual statement so is this the bigot no this is just a piece of paper
whimsical the whole you know symbiosis thing was so weird i don't even know what to make of that
inorganic so you're saying you're thinking you're thinking synthetic like some type of like
what are we talking about ai robot aliens okay so um they're how the theory goes is that
so cybernetic if people have a dictionary because i don't know for sure but cybernetic would be this
idea of an um like an organic compound that at its core is like a robot right so an artificial
intelligence within a biological bag right so the idea with like the grays or whatever you know people
often say so they're like basically manufactured beings right and they're cybernetic so they're they're
means it doesn't leave that containment okay so even to the point we'd crush up the carbon filters and
just swallow everything like yeah so it swallows everything so it's non-permeating it doesn't go out
to talk to that are new faces right yeah so then you you collect this stuff and then you take it out
figure out later and you take it i'd be like well so what's the deal what's the deal if it's a known
that we're talking aliens here okay so if that was true right then i'd be like like how do you know
like why is it so harmful other than i get secrecy but that's not what you're doing you're doing
destruction so like why and they would say something exactly like because of its ability
that one more time so i can verbatim understand that because of its ability to alter human dna
kind of like an rna thing i don't know dude i'm not a smart pants guy i'm not smart guys so um all
your questions answered by our guests which we post in the discord and then you can go see that so the
i have seen it so have other people that you know and i'm not talking about one piece of footage
before so i told you satellite footage or maybe i'm going back in time of of two discs going by an
so was our entire intelligence community within the united states and so i feel like i've put pretty
never supposed to see but you said clear as day those aren't clear as day clear as day okay so let's
split another hair so clear as day clear as day to me is independence day like coming out of the clouds
all ir stuff let's split another hair yeah okay so first of all you keep saying craft yeah i don't
okay so that's your barometer so now i'm understanding your yeah color it has texture it has depth yeah so
of like green so you think about through yeah so that's like an amplification of light a little bit
something like full motion video so you would say that's clear as day because the capability of
satellite to come in and like read a coke can they say in the 80s sure okay so that exists and
so what you're looking for is full motion video there's this there's this video sorry to interrupt
right and it's like blasting something but it's so clear it's like the clearest 4k footage you can see
that is can you say the words immaculate constellation with me sure yeah okay so why do you think that is
like this there should be let me walk you through it it's real simple okay so once thing so i i get
we go um so i get calls from kids and their their one sole job is to look at live feeds of reaper
of that there and these kids will say to me holy um you're so reachable i'm like yeah that's the point
and we we don't know how to classify them what do you write so we debated inside of this skiff for
we now have sophisticated ways this is the smallest thing he said to extract that data right so that it
real world so during the height of the um drone incursions on the east coast there is a sensitive
of the water in a bay with cameras near this facility that were so high definition that it's like perfect
in the brain of a new a number of people remember during the height of all this so george and i we
this person's in agreement that they trust me and george so we better not this up if there's
and i just found out by the doe so think about that i'm setting you up for your answer now okay
think about it so where does all why are we not seeing the good footage is your basic question
so why aren't you seeing it chris because the pool is tiny unless there's some mandate to be honest
department of energy that's just ours i mean that's ours no that's what i'm like dude there are so many
there's so many limited people that actually have access to that that have motivation then will no i
rock their world i would think so sometimes it really doesn't chris yeah well sometimes it does okay
that's all i got for you man okay yeah yeah i'm so sorry let me back up okay aslan um
and they're full on adults and they have to contend with that that's right so i can't hold that and i'm
um this one i think is on everybody's mind so we'll go with this one here
can i say more so you know it really bothers me i i've i've said more and i guess i haven't said it
loud enough or clear enough um so yeah i'll say more again um you know i've already said how i came to
like 2027 or 2036 you know leave a big window so everybody has to guess and if it doesn't happen 2027
ryan you know um so was the person who told this to you it's not a person brother there's multiple
reference 11 plus years of what's been said to me so i know exactly the mosaic of that information