Just throw me into the deep end, right?
I was a lower enlisted grunt.
I actually explained it in in my book the reason why I could have come in as an army officer
So it's almost as if I gave you a script or something. You're, you're, so that's precisely the issue.
Quality of life is fantastic. But the commute out to pass Langley, which is where I was at past there was a three hour one way commute.
Those folks who don't necessarily have a national security clearance, but they also have a need to know because if you want to stop and prevent terrorism or anything else,
you got to ultimately that information is useless unless it gets to the right people.
It's like eventually it was known as A-Tip. We'll get into that whole acronym and whatever soon.
But when you're getting read in on this and then I guess within a few meetings brought in as the counter-intel guy,
my understanding is that this was when at the time Senator Harry Reid, who was a major senator at one point, the majority of minority leader in the Senate,
had basically started this thing called OSAP and was saying we need to look into not just our history with UAP, but we need to look into what this is from a national security threat perspective.
At the time was it already funded though? Like was this something that the rest of the other people in the Senate were read into or was this strictly like some kind of offshoot Harry Reid's talking with, you know, people in the Pentagon and they're doing this private team that no one knows about.
So great question. Let me rewind the tape here a little bit and see if I can help do a level set on this.
First of all, it wasn't necessarily just a Harry Reid thing. The other thing, oh, it was Harry Reid's pet project. No, it wasn't.
There was two other senators that were involved. You had Senator Ted Stevens from Alaska, who was also a military veteran, and you also had Senator Inue from Hawaii.
Even himself had his own UFO sighting, his own UAP sighting while he was flying a mission. Then you also had astronaut John Glenn at the time.
He was also part of this effort trying to push forward. Now the impetus to that is still up for debate. I can't tell you in the early days of all that because I wasn't there.
Yeah, something like that, where we had certain people that had a deep amount of expertise that was really, really what we considered low density in the US government.
But the people who are involved with OSAP when you come into it and A-Tip on the inside of the government, it seems like that group is kind of the same.
national that was sharing their their experiences with us so technically it's not classified right it's it's just just them telling us classification classified information only applies to information that is US government derived that's
a little loop around right here well you know that like I said there's there's ways to have conversations you know and then there's right ways to have conversations and then there's definitely
outside the normal parameters of something conventional can you define the five observables for people yeah sure the first one is you only go into little
detail of each one okay so the first observable is instantaneous acceleration so what is instantaneous acceleration well
happened would help here but what about that incident made how put off and jocke phil and these guys go yes
matches all the observables we think this one's real you'd have to ask them I think it was the evidence
radars are kind of like a super type of radar where you have rather just one radar you've got
multiple radars all in different slightly different frequencies so you can get really good pinpoint
for example the e2hakai which is a radar platform flying radar platform if you pull a picture up
of a e2hakai I can explain that for you a little bit too because it's important because these
they have the solution they're the only ones they have a monopoly on thought and unless you agree with
them then you're crazy right and that's that's across the board I think the approach we need to take
we've been sharing all along that is neither plant nor animal and that is the world of fungus and so
we tap our shelves under shoulders and say wow what a great great discovery and it wasn't until the
that's roughly 27 billion light years across and that's just the visible universe scientists
beaches in all the world yeah right and so if the universe is actually a hundred billion light years
across and possibly bigger compared to us that is enormously huge but but then look at
where we're talking about the science and this is why bring up this long drawn out story about
size and perception and things like that people say what are they from outer space they could be
but this I've always said it could be from outer space inner space or frankly the space in between
as you said they are these things interdimensional could be are they aliens from outer space could be
are they as natural to this planet as we are absolutely as it to the point where now technologically
we're at a point where we're now beginning to interact with them just like the little beasties
little beasties could be are these things maybe from underwater because look we've only
math lesson 10% of the ocean floor we know all the above or all the above right we know more about
the surface of the moon than the depths of our own oceans I had a submarine commander once tell me
and he was dead serious it's a little funny out to share with your audience but it's both
disturbing and funny they were tracking an object these submarines are huge I mean some of these
are imagine the Empire State Building sideways underwater right these are big big submarines some of
these 500 feet long right big boys and you're traveling underwater and you pick up something on
snoozing taking a nap and I'm not I haven't been snoozing once I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm already
extremely pissed off that we only have three hours though because like holy shit is there so much
any pattern that's one thing you know obviously trying to find a pattern this is coming every Tuesday
during random yeah random random and of course we're asleep at night and I'm not at home during the
and that is that is trying to hide a fact about something that is not that is not a classifiable fact
and you know he he was a wounded soul he experienced things there that I'm sure probably made him do
interests of the American people not the other way around but people forget that in government they
start to think no actually you know this is this is this is this is my job and I can start making
the paperwork into the New York Times in 27 was able to do that because of I forget the name of the
the way son felt I have a problem with what Snowden did he took his information and gave it to
the Russians that's the problem he gave it to the Russians yes that's the problem he didn't come
intelligence veteran you have access to such crazy information that you have been able to simulate
how society may handle this information if it was given to them to the point that you are able to
I am in and yes I am still very loyal yes I will still defend my country and work for my government
if asked to and when asked to but it's not either or it's like oh well since he does that he
shows and we're not willing to watch all I don't like them they're biased hey don't look now dummy so
are you you know how about expand your horizons and look at other sources of information and start
your your your yeah yeah I want my tell me about my medical jam um you sure you want to be truthful
with you yeah why don't you be truthful with me you have stage 4 cancer oh shit I wish you
information operations and all those things um you know you do it to fight and win wars you don't do
it because you're bored you don't do it because you know you so let's let's go figure something out
to go and be disruptive that's not the way it works um and I think that's that's part of the problem
we have in this conversation because not our conversation but in the bigger conversation because
there's such a lack of trust in the government now this is why it's important now more than ever
we need to show good faith in the government we have to do it and because right now
I thought you said okay yeah yeah yeah so you see in the context I'm trying to say here right now
yeah this is again why this accountability transparency is so important not the end of the day
is there a better way to do it could be could be could I be wrong in this approach yeah sure absolutely
yeah I think people are always going to be skeptical because of the fact that we've seen such as
you laid out yourself with some examples we've seen such a breakdown in the trust of institutions
through some things that they have done which again and this is this is unfortunate but my friend
Jared Dillion who I had on the podcast for episode 182 or 183 he is a former Lehman Brothers guy
because if you have material that was in the position of the government and says okay you can
use this to analyze it for us that doesn't mean you can just turn around start making profit off of
yeah I cannot say okay it was but I don't I have been told I was warned very very clearly this I'll
share with you I was told several years ago that I could never talk about crash retrievals or
try to replicate that material and at a cost of a million dollars and it broke the machine
they're able to create this material at a macro level a sandwich between one piece and another
finding this right yeah be trippy yeah so it made a plastic and it talks it's magic right
he's got some fascinating thoughts there but he's like hey it was probably some sort of
EMP interference from our universe that fucks with the craft falling to earth and boom that
a dumb bird bring down a jet full of people and almost kill every single human being a bird
and you don't use a screwdriver to do a hammer's work right so we all have our own skills just like
you have yours you know with your audio tech and never do your job I said fail miserably there are
mean you're you're one of the guys this was a little hazy for me just to so correct me if I'm
gonna be a leader in this in this conversation I wish I shouldn't be this should be no one more
50 right every time arrow comes out with a report and they try to and you know good on them at
least they're being honest with that they're like we had 144 incidents that we couldn't figure out
and so this goes back to that question what would that mean well this would be the greatest
intelligence failure this country has ever experienced eclipsing that of even 9-11 because despite
into the mother load if you will whoever these beings are to come to the ship and you were going
to use some sort of impetus to like clap them and and collect the evidence and in the end the
Chris melon is a from the melon family the famous melon family so think Carnegie melon
like Joe McMannagall and and some of these you know Ingalls Juan and some other folks that are
you know who should have is probably help put off because he was the godfather
let's work together right as much as we possibly can let's focus on the 80% of the stuff that we
agree on maybe table the 20% that we don't fair enough well low thank you so much