Okay, and this is, I believe Jim Likasky.
Correct. Dr. Likasky. Yeah. So this is, and this is what I try to explain to people. If you want to want to know a little bit about Jim, he is the epitome of a rocket scientist, literally a rocket scientist.
That's crazy. So, you're doing all these initial meetings where you're getting read in, with like the Jim Lekaske's obviously.