all that uh really whiny and then he goes on to work at oak ridge which is a department of energy uh ffrdc
by battell yeah oak oak ridge sandia national labs lawrence livermore but yeah so kirkpatrick goes to work
at oak ridge he also uh joins georgia techs uh let me see what it's called because i wrote this down
livermore national labs sandia national labs oak ridge etc where you know i i have some degree of
labs to try national security oak ridge at the center for naval analyses institute for defense