the backstory that you described oh it's interesting what was going on in what was it
traffic in peru colombia bolivia all sorts of south american countries and the mac g the marine
air control group 28 was sent down alongside some elements of the air force and a pretty large joint
program including the cia to set up tps 43 and other radar systems to track some of these narco planes
for for this radar detachment to track the narco traffic i personally think this is northern peru
because he just gave a lot of details about the flight time down to peru details about time spent
downed aircraft by the time they reach the lz after a combination of driving and trekking
the marines come across a ravine where a about a 20 meter in length egg-shaped craft is just stuck
in a granite cliff face probably granite wagant doesn't fully know for sure what the material is
but wedged in there there's fluid leaking out of the craft there's what looks to be three hatches one
of them open with possibly a non-human arm hanging out of the craft and this liquid is like clear but
it's viscous like syrup and the craft itself looks somewhat metallic but it's changing colors like
purple and green the best i can describe that is the mother of pearl effect similar to oil on water
so wagant gets pretty close to the craft it's it's way above him but he gets pretty close under it he
gets the fluid all over himself and it's to this day like removed hair from his legs it discolored
his camis or his battle dress uniform and so after about 10 to 15 minutes at the site and some interesting
details about the craft is there was a light going around its circumference that seemed to power down
almost seemed like the craft shut off including a a sound like a guitar amp that eventually died down
adkins yelling at him to hey step away from the craft and during this time he felt like i know you
and jesse talked about jake barber and some of the psionics and stuff right he felt like there was
something in the craft reaching out to him trying to communicate with him trying to tell him that it
and to this day he has seen like these creatures what he calls them in his dreams that were in the
really strange but here's where when did he say this for the first time publicly 2000 the year 2000
on stephen greer's uh disclosure project archive wow so he was part of the 2000 disclosure briefing
he's a stand-up guy he's hilarious he's great uh so i i talk to him all the time but getting back to
his story so sergeant allen and sergeant adkins holler at him to move away from the craft as soon
as these marines start heading up heading up the ravine and this is the most interesting part to me
nearby clearing the marines including wagant including allen including adkins are intercepted
michael herrera a team of men in black camouflage that apprehend the marines strip them of their gear
clocks him in the head and these guys at that point make an example out of wagant push his face
in the ground he gets more of the liquid on him beat the crap out of him and then out of the
adkin or allen's but here's what's what's really interesting about the doe
the department of energy has its own team it's called the nuclear emergency support team and this is
basically a rapid reaction team that can be sent anywhere in the continental united states or around
the world to react to nuclear or radiological signatures and one of the governing bodies of
nest the doe nest nuclear emergency support team is the 1954 atomic energy agreement 1954 if this
sounds familiar to you are you familiar with the 2023 and 2024 national defense authorization act
the details okay so like a quick side note to that the uapda which is probably going to be
pushed again in the upcoming senate conference i hope that gets pushed through but the whole point
of this amendment was to bring forth disclosure of ufo legacy programs programs hidden within the u.s
technologies of unknown origin tuos and one of the governing bodies listed in this legislation
that hides some of these materials is the 1954 atomic energy act that considers ufo materials as
pigeonholed to avoid standard declassification processes what's interesting about the doe nest
is their founding authority was also the 1954 atomic energy agreement so you have legislation like the
uapda talking about 54 being how the classification system for ufo materials is born and then you have
going to crash us southcom thought this russian probe was going to crash uh either in the pacific or
the region later that year so doe nest was already interested in in south america wow and there was a lot
of spooky shit going on in south america in the 90s like there's a lot of there was a lot of uh ufo crash
incidents yeah and there was uh a lot of i think that jacques filet book was earlier than the 90s
it sounds somewhat familiar but i'm not fully i think jesse was the one who told me about it
crashing into the mountains of bolivia a u.s air force team called moon dust project moon dust was
team went to go get but there was some sort of toxic or biological hazard in the craft that killed the
entire mexican recovery team and then of course the americans and their ch-53 chinooks swooped in and took
the craft however there's of course an argument you can make that probably maybe our guys the
right and a lot of marine crash retrieval stories you have jonathan wagant you have like the testimony
about seeing such teams in the continental united states these black teams with craft so it's it's
really interesting and then uh kind of rounding out the wagant story he was then on the on the 47
and why was he the only one that was taken out of there that's a great question my guess is because
he was contaminated with the liquid oh atkins and allen did not get covered in the liquid but the weird
the namru navy medical research unit six in aikitos peru but it's not like he was subjected to blood
drawn all that stuff the one weird thing is he was forced to give in like an forced to take an anthrax
respond hello my full name which is of course like a bully intimidation tactic and the guy just tried
ever being like contacted by anyone from the government or intimidated and tried to like
shut them up shut people trying to shut him up yeah and that's part of the reason he um went to
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the fbi would show up at his house and show up at his grandma's house like looking to talk to him he never
talked to him but so he was pretty spooked sort of like the the men in black right if you would
call him the men in black telling people not to talk about their encounters right and these uh these
these nest teams so these nest teams are part of the department of energy and it's basically like they
they comp they they bring in all of the like top tier special operators not quite and i'm sorry i should
have specified that more it's more of a science and technology team okay they just deal with the
stuff but the interesting thing about nest is of course it is a doe department but it operates out
and egn g egn g of course is the infamous company bob lazar said hired him to work at area 51 s4 to
reverse engineer propulsion devices on the sports model yeah i know you cover it deeply in your video but
pretty large and if it was stuck in granite how the heck was that thing taken out right like there
were ch-47s on the ground the team would have had to extract this thing from a granite cliff face
that would mean it's harder than granite right if it went through the granite what kind of material
cases we can talk about about shoot downs as well as the strategic defense initiative under reagan which
just exploded near the target and some of the fragging just took it out oh like a shotgun blast yeah but
about like a three four-fingered arm hanging out the crowd yeah greer edited that out of of his of
but you know maybe he didn't want to maybe he thought like the descriptions of fingers and like some weird
alien arm hanging out would make it more unbelievable and he wanted to kind of like leave the stuff in there
that was more plausible yeah but with the stories of crash retrieval there's always the baggage of
morphologies and so forth yeah i'm sure you've heard uh i'm sure you've heard the story of annie
it like last year i think after she dropped her book she she kept it secret in the book right but she
what the name is but this was a source of george knapp's 10 20 years before that the guy who worked
nap and you can look at it in a weaponized interview with him and jeremy corbell i'll send you the link
it's so detailed because she's with the family and him and apparently he told his family this for
the first time and they were like really upset about it like how do you make that i mean
interview george nap was a little bit hot under the collar because he said like hey i i'm i gosh
disfigured people right by disfigured people by mengele the the nazi guy disfigured children
so she asked him she goes well that's up why wouldn't why would the u.s government keep this secret
because this makes the soviets or russia look terrible and he said the reason they didn't
expose it is because eg and g started doing the same exact thing with children see that's that's
parroted by rick doughty uh air force said the same thing osi officer yeah and in greer's i think it
was his 2017 documentary unacknowledged that was the first time i ever heard of roswell specifically
and as well as that kind of dives into the subject of of contractors with ufo technology ufo materials
makes me it makes me wonder if if what he told annie was more closer to the truth because he was older a
annie seems pretty respectful i know she disagrees a lot with some of the more ufo stuff but doesn't
course site four is what bob lazar said he worked on the sports model for s4 s4 is really interesting
it's like the auxiliary site below groom lake it's just south of room lake area 51 and then you have
tonapa just northwest yeah yeah the s4 stuff is crazy man i i don't know uh i don't think i don't
remember if she talked about s4 in the uh in the area 51 book or not but it's really interesting some
of the stuff that were they were doing at area 51 right after world war ii and you know she explains
how the money was stolen i think it was dullest stole a bunch of money from the reconstruction in
know building the um those uh those those blackbirds yeah those and the and the u2 and all that stuff
area 51 specifically maybe a facility built into the pre-existing boron mine there
of the 412th test wing the edwards 412th test wing is what's called a major range test facility
base and mrtfbs an mrtfb there's just over 20 in the continental united states these include things
like dugway proving ground the utah test and training range um fort huachuca edwards 412th china lake
pax river and your favorite that you talked about with dolan outec the atlantic undersea test and
the 412th testing reverse engineered vehicles reverse engineered arv alien reproduction vehicles whatever you
nellis between edwards at area 51 and s4 and the thing is this i hope this guy goes public sometime
even added him on snapchat and funny enough that's the one place where he's ever like read my message and
worked on revert serving as the test director on reverse engineered vehicles kind of operating as the
the tic tac type stuff tic tac uh triangles saucers i don't know i think i i think it's a mix of
probably right i think like the tic tac was likely something that we have that we created you know maybe
nobody knows about maybe that's part of the 21 trillion dollars it's missing that catherine was
talking about that could have created the tic tacs or something like that um i don't think it was like
uh accounts of these underwater ufos coming out of the ocean in like 1717 which is crazy and and and
something that's been here for for millions of years that lives under the water um is it it's
jesse were talking about is like he was explaining how all this anti-gravity research went dark in the
something to do with it the towns and brown stuff you know there's there's so many pieces of this puzzle
it's crazy well i know you and uh dolan were talking about the subject of uso and i know you guys
brought up the underwater nro yeah you didn't dive too much into it so that's something we i'd love to
interesting crash retrieval stories so how come i've never heard of the underwater is it classified
or is it oh yeah hey guys if you're not already subscribed please hammer the subscribe button below
and hit the like button on the video back to the show so it's not there's no website for the underwater
that's crap that calls it the hidden younger brother of the nro so in u.s intelligence you
have the big five agencies the cia nsa dia nro and nga and there's the hidden neuro the national
underwater reconnaissance office whose activities are seemingly more sensitive than even the nro's
there are admirals in the navy that i have spoken to who did not know that neuro was a thing really and
books uh such as the uh the intelligence community by jeffrey t richelson great book i
so neuro was started in 1969 and it was started to kind of coordinate the navies and the cia's
reconnaissance activities similar to the how the nro was started to coordinate the air forces and the
cia's activities right and so part of the the founding programs for neuro were to kind of coordinate
kind of tap undersea cables i think this was called the ivy bells program and as well as just
underwater reconnaissance underwater monitoring the neuro was supposed to exist between the navy and
but really early on the cia just kind of took command of neuro and it wasn't until 1972 three years after its
creation that john warner secretary of the navy was finally put as neuro's director but then it
went on to be a cia spook so neuro's kind of claim to fame is using vessels like the uss halibut
uss sea wolf um the uss jimmy carter the nr1 the united states smallest nuclear submarine and the glomar explorer
have you heard of the glomar explorer yeah yeah so so k129 soviet sub crashes near hawaii a little bit northwest
the cia and neuro create the glow mark explorer to go retrieve the vessel and i think it embarks in uh 1972
right and conventional wisdom only a third of the k129 is retrieved uh maybe more probably more and it
might be buried up in the pacific northwest but um then the glomar went on to be used by lockheed martin
and its subsidiaries for 20 years for quote-unquote deep sea mining operations and such so the the really
projects for the navy john p craven and so in 1964 john p craven was set to start the deep systems or
deep submergent systems project the dssp and i'm sorry there's a ton of acronyms i'll try to spell
them all out that's something i get flack for a lot and this was to drastically increase the navy's
deep ocean engineering capabilities and so the dssp gave craven the task we need you to be able to
commence engineering and navy operations at way bigger depths so 1964 craven starts the dssp in 1965
the earliest probably sap within sap within sap we can kind of make sense of it was a program that was
hidden within a program hidden within another program hidden within the polaris summer polaris
inventory of a collection of objects on the sea floor for national security importance uh ranging from
the atlantic just all around the world and it wasn't just aircraft or nuclear stuff so commencing after
that briefing in 1965 on sand dollar craven under the dssp the deep system submergence projects creates
the dsrv deep submergence rescue vehicle and dssv deep submergence search vehicle and these are supposed to
be vehicles that kind of can satisfy the dssp so the dsrv the deep submergence rescue vehicle is supposed to be
basically a submarine rescue vehicle uh this was out of response to the loss of the uss thresher
transported anywhere around the world at 72 hours wow it's that rapid reaction it can be piggybacked on
on a vessel specifically craven says in the silent war his memoirs the uss halibut and the uss sea wolf
two neuro vessels that he directly names to rescue any submarine crew anywhere in the world
la-di-la-di-da and the dssv which is used for ocean surveying uh ocean engineering retrieval operations
and so forth uh there were supposed to be six dsrv and six dssv the two submersible units built
but only two dsrvs were ever built the mystic and avalon out of lockheed martin so there were only two
so in you know our the art bell show right yes so in 2002 i think it was about summer of 2002
on a dsrv crew and so this guy tells the story of in 1991 or 1992 as i'm getting the dates a little
bit wrong there was a survey ship in the north atlantic about 250 miles outside of aberdeen
scotland that picked up radiological signatures on the sea floor and that the dsrv was dispatched to go
check this thing out and so the the group is steamed out to the north atlantic i think this is in the
rockwell rock all trough in the north atlantic just northwest of aberdeen scotland because i looked at
like depths and this guy said this was about a mile and a half deep yeah did and so the team dives so
so where specifically would it be the rock all trough the rock all trough yes rock all pull up a map of
that if you can see you so the team dives in the dsrv which could also be a dssv a deep system search
vehicle one of the two because craven said that john p craven remember chief scientist of special
projects out of the navy that although there were never official missions for dsrv or dssv because
no submarines ever sunk after the thresher these were sent on numerous clandestine operations wow if
there you go rock rock all yeah hit layers on the bottom left
and so mark and his group are steamed out from virginia my guess is this is a really clandestine dssv because the
craven for clandestine purposes to this region the team dives by the time they get to the seafloor they
see a large triangle wedged in the seafloor the triangle has no cockpit no visible means of propulsion
it's wedged in the seafloor and around its circumference has glyphic writing same thing as the 1965 kexburg
pennsylvania crash same thing as the roswell i-beam same thing as what danny sheehan has said he found
in the classified blue book files and so there's a really anomalous triangle down here that there's
no visible means of propulsion nothing they can see so the team goes back up informs the the steamship
what they saw a marine archaeologist is brought down they go take photos videos and survey the vessel
the marine archaeologist estimates that that triangle had been buried within the the the kind of the
seafloor for 30 or 40 years and so eventually the team is tasked with rigging uh materials to the
craft to try to bring it up and because the size is about 70 feet in height the team estimates this is
about the weight of an f-14 right and an f-14 is interesting because the nr1 had previously recovered
a lost uh f-14 off a u.s aircraft carrier but so the the object is rigged up uh you know the crew makes
estimates based off the the size what metal might be you know involved brushed aluminum and so forth
kind of brought up to the ocean surface the craft is eventually rigged up mark once the dsrv crew is
back on board gets to see the craft again this time in person about 70 feet long a little bit rounded of
a back like a perfect triangle glyphic writing along the side like gun metal color no visible means
about this not sold to sign any ndas or anything which is kind of interesting but apparently the
work they did was inherently classified because the dsrv and the dssv was used for classified operations
provided art bell the names of the other navy guys he was with so i want to track these guys down and
under the oceans you know because you don't really hear about that kind of stuff no there's 1967 shag harbor
he went by the pseudonym rk related his story to leonard stringfield leonard stringfield is one of
the greatest ufo crash retrieval investigators of all time wrote status reports one through seven on ufo crash
retrievals rk claimed that in 72 at the great lakes naval station in chicago he was tasked to kind of
the commanding office officer he passes into a quonset style hunt hut on the premises and in there is a
interesting he he then meets a guy that was stationed in san diego in the navy and this navy
naval destroyer and recovered by the glomar explorer north of hawaii in 1972 wow i think we've explored
more the moon than we have of our own ocean floors it's crazy and if you look at we were talking about
this with richard dolan too like you can literally turn the globe if you look at the pacific ocean you
is ocean so what's interesting about the the creation of neuro the deep submergent systems project and all
that existed on the sea floor of national security interest but until craven created the the dss
following sand dollar and then neural was created there was no way the navy could retrieve these
items so it seemed like the us navy had a large itemized inventory of all of these objects on the
sea floor but until craven drastically increased the depths at which the navy could conduct engineering
operations and retrieval operations those just sat there now what do you know about the that base in
the bahamas that mean that jesse was talking about oh out tech out tech yeah is that still is that thing
still operational are they still doing work there i i'm not sure actually but that brings up the the
undersea neuro bases for submarine refueling and such but oh that i mean the concept of undersea
bases is interesting because already underground bases is is incredibly interesting right the
question about undersea bases is how do you power them the logistics sound like a nightmare yeah at
high temperature reactor i mean right in the 1960s the u.s army corps of engineer published a bunch
of deep basing studies on where to place deep underground military bases throughout the continental united
stiffs subterranean facilities and so forth wow yeah that's one of the things that katherine was saying
that a lot of the missing money she thinks has been going to funding these constructions of these
underground bases yeah that's i think one of the most interesting topics in this subject because you
and he said that the train went so fast it reminded him of his fear of flying
oh my god because a lot of people will look at the kind of underground bases systems and connective
but you know i digress back in the 1970s the rand corporation which is known as a federally funded
research and development center ffrdc one of the employees high up scientists of the rand corporation
published something called the vhst the very high speed transit system which was a massive underground
got some of that technology and ideas from the nazis yeah um you know before before the end of world
war ii there was uh there was a system called the roar bond by some german scientists which was a
not a concept that's really interesting so xavier dorsch was head of the tot organization in nazi
germany the tot organization had created the autobahn you know that famous german highway with endless
of government sites such as the regan worm logger in poland and ordroff which are these really really
for the tot organization which is similar to the u.s army corps of engineers in 1947 with operation
paperclip where the u.s brought over a bunch of nazi scientists there was one report from air material
facilities or stiffs immediately began began construction because we plucked some of the nazis
trillions of dollars not cheap right no it's definitely not cheap and you know the other
question is who who's in charge of it yeah who has control over all of it you know analyzing the
structure of the supposed ufo legacy programs is so difficult to track right you know if there are
university affiliated research center programs that deal with the exploitation recovery and reverse
done across the programs how are the intelligence communities involved and at the top of this who is
who is pulling the strings because it's not like this is a above board air force project above board navy
special opera special access programs sorry which congress and even the executive branch to a certain
chiefs of staff people can't even get access to some of this stuff and that's it and the way he was
the rails so far to where they have more power than like every foreign and domestic military combined to
within the u.s military intelligence that has a secret space program they are have the asymmetric
it wrong but he said something to the effect of like when hits the fan at least we have the spaceships
some of these joint chiefs not being accessed he's talking about thomas wilson from the wilson davis memo
who was deputy director of the dia at the time i believe um and he tried to gain access to some
of these programs and was stonewalled by the special access program oversight committee senior review group
like let's say that some of his uh starlink satellites are interfering with the nro's ai sentient program
right that you know there's some foyer documents in 2023 show that the nro sentient program had
by that guy tim who was in the book who you know who's like super esoteric and all this stuff and
read in on a ufo reality right i mean um it seems like like here's the thing it's very suspicious
joe and jesse both said no i i think elon's bsing a little bit about that because it's the world of
into some real real real strict access i mean the wilson davis memo is a perfect example this talks
this recounts a conversation between um admiral thomas wilson and eric davis in 2002 in the parking
stephen lovekin commander will miller of the u.s navy and astronaut edgar mitchell engaged in briefings
happened even though he disputes the memo that they briefed wilson into the reality of ufo special
access programs and wilson went uh according to the documents according to the wilson davis memo
and what he found was that these programs were gate kept by the special access program oversight
some of these programs but what's really interesting about that is one of the contractors that i i think
are up to their eyeballs in ufo legacy program operations is north of grumman creator of the b2
creator of the b21 spirit bomber they in 2003 absorbed a company called trw trw are the great richard
dolan theorizes trw is the contractor behind zodiac which was possibly a romana clay a fictional story
around the time sapoc was reorganized to structure the senior review group to gatekeep legacy programs
was sued for a hundred owed the u.s government 111 million dollars for or overcharging on space programs
and also there's some general accounting office documents in 1993 that talk about the navy and
the air force specifically not complying with sap regulations they talk about the army complying with
i've talked to and in conversations i've had the the army participates in a lot of research development
over in the beginning which i just remembered was during jonathan when jonathan was uh sent out to go
see that crash that craft in peru wasn't there reports of something flying in and out of the atmosphere
plus yeah but that's also there's really intriguing connections there because we also talked about the
dsp the defense support program working with nest later in 1997 to monitor russian space debris over
former dod contractor bob fish yes and in these contractors bob fish is talking about how the dsp was
one of the high profile programs that track ufos and there's old old stories i think this is in the 80s of
dsp satellites monitoring ufos that pass within a mile and a half at 22 000 miles per hour of the
satellite so were these usaf personnel working with the dsp and were they specifically tracking ufos was
miles per hour is absolutely bananas yeah especially in the in like the 90s yeah and especially
making in what seems to be intelligent maneuvers because this who knows if that's the case but
all wagant knows is that he was he and the other grunts were just kind of set off set out to uncover
wasn't a secret thing the i think the biggest question of that whole operation is who were
a couple years from jonathan's encounter in 1997 the cia director of science and technology deputy
director carl wolf began what's called the cia's office of global access the office of global access
has been accused by myself by great reporters like chris sharp christopher sharp at the liberation
before he went public jake barber under a pseudonym wrote the sentinels of ether little manuscript where he
dedicated rapid reaction units or are these local special forces guy like i hypothesized in the jonathan
pulled in on happenstance or are these dedicated teams brought in the j what was the guy's name
again um jonathan no no the other guy this guy who went on jesse he talked about the psionic stuff oh
jake barbara jake barber yeah the jake barber stuff was apparently corroborated with the michael herrera
like join the other side and like blow the whistle himself yeah i i'm so glad that happened i remember
when jake barber did the extended video with ross and mentioned michael because for over a year at that
because michael put a michael had you know kept me giving me the skinny about what had been going
don't know i think the question needs to be asked did greer know this was jake sent in to promise him
was an agent for possibly an agency because around the same time 2023 there are multiple greer with
under the number uh 10 8 9 2 this guy talks about being on an alien reproduction vehicle retrieval team
at nellis air force base and uh kind of witnessing the touchdown of a sunflower extraterrestrial craft
some of the whistleblowers no excuse right i the operational security is so bad i should not be able to do that
the past because he's really was the only guy to turn to for a long time right he ran the disclosure
project that's the crazy thing about him i mean a lot of people everybody hates greer for the most part
i've never heard anyone say anything nice about him except for jesse michaels jesse michaels is the one
forward the most amount of whistleblowers that have divulged the most amount of information so like
of uh the testimonies he receives i think he treats whistleblowers that come to him like his
about that uh i don't i i don't i would rather err on the side of like pushing for disclosure instead
questions seem to be asked in documents for you about his time at cifa in the early 2000s the
put uh david grush and then um and then you know others but i don't like to engage in the drama but i
well don't they have the same lawyer isn't danny sheehan represent both yeah sheehan used to work
for the disclosure project i don't know if he still does a lot of people used to work for the
disclosure project leslie kane uh you know the article of the 2017 new york times article she used
to work for steven greer back in the early 2000s and i talked to her at the i snuck my way in back in
november by the uh ufo hearings into the um disclosure fund event and i talked to her a long
with greer and i think back in the day greer had a little bit of a different mindset uh i think maybe
some of the problems with him arose more in the future but that that that drama between the two is
is pretty interesting yeah man the when you start to paying too much attention to like the the
personalities and like the the ufo celebrities and the drama you start to get like lost in this
whole thing and i think it's probably intentional and then the combination of the combination of like
twitter people on twitter you know arguing about who's right and who's wrong and then you mix in the
sean kirkpatrick the head of arrow who is fraught with a lot of uh really weird past so you're familiar
arrow reports to the undersecretary for defense for intelligence and security this at the time
is ronald moultrie who was both on the board for battell memorial institute oh yeah i want to talk
about them oh absolutely the miter corporation and uh like a group called the better angels
which is funded by the carlisle group which is a huge big money group yeah yeah yeah so kirkpatrick
and uh moultrie famously in in 2022 kind of debunked the subject of ufos and so forth kirkpatrick used to
with them quite a few times in 2022 arrow engaged in contracts under the dod for aero support services
oh wow and i recently tweeted about this i have the exact contract number but arrow is tweeting is
government contractor like air force and northrop grumman ufo programs the missing link there is the
ffrdc's this is stuff like the miter corporation the aerospace corporation triad national security run
university affiliated research center is the it is the university counterpart to the ffrdc's the
know one of my big theories is that a lot of these programs operate with the subject matter experts and
united states government or united states dod the ffrdc is a corporation still attached inherently to u.s
interesting ties such as like this gets can harken all the way back to kexberg and dr eric a walker
llc called non-linear solutions and as of 2025 non-linear solutions is contracting for the miter
them on ufo response and recovery and material transfer so you know what what are the very
you know they published the arrow historical report volume one nonsensical report i hope somebody
who's read the clear report the classified report can tell us why there's no better explanations than that
than the public report because the cleared report i've heard is just as nonsensical but there's
herrera's memorandum for record with arrow because in the arrow historical report volume one it talks
forces and the memorandum for record that proves that he never said extraterrestrial or u.s
all questions that must be asked is arrow honeypot why is tim phillips the deputy director of arrow
badmouthing david grosh on linkedin these are all strange i talk about the ffrdc's and uarchs remember
when we had the november house hearings the senate also had a some ufo hearings with um with arrow
at the end of 2024 dr john kozlowski now arrow director said arrow is now working with ffrdc's
to make him seem more discreditable there's definitely something there you know the more
the more of this stuff i hear it's just like it seems like it seems like all this stuff just is
all the stuff from from sci-fi movies are becoming reality yeah you know like the like the jake
heard of the mark mccandless story no and brad sorenson okay this is in my opinion one of the
greatest alien reproduction vehicle stories of all time and we can also i'm sure you've heard the term
the norton air force base show at norton air force base in california this is near edwards air force base this
is near palm springs this is near the lockheed skunk works this is near yusaf plant 42 you know all
where a lot of the clandestine aircraft r d of our nation takes place also a region which i think is
defense contractors was scheduled to go to the air force show with his good friend brad sorenson
who was an industrial designer at the time brad sorenson had been invited to the show from a
former undersecretary for defense real high up guy a couple days before the air show mark mccandless has
to drop out he needs to do some work for popular mechanics and so brad goes with you know the
at the air show and we'll pause there because historically this story has been relayed second
hand for mark mccandless right mark mccandless talks about what brad sees at the air show it wasn't until
because i'm directly referencing that interview because that's that's some of the things people
have said about this story in particular the flux liner is that no mark mccandless just said it no
well brad sorenson talked about it in this interview and some of the details around that are really
interesting so brad sorenson went to the norton air show tons of interesting aircraft pretty cool
but at some point during the show the under sect of or whoever he was with took him to a classified
and the only reason he gets in is because he's attached to this very high level former dod guy the
two enter the hangar and remember this is all according to brad sorenson and in there there's a lot of
vehicle there's the losing prototype to the b2 or yeah b2 stealth bomber there's something called the
what yeah that's some of the military brass were were kind of boasting that they could destroy every
major city in russia in under an hour and so forth yeah that that's it yeah that's the pulsar and that's
drawn by mark mccandlish that's drawn by uh that's wild bro have you seen the uh the cormorant the lockheed
whoa i think the i mean these are all obvious or that one's actually a real photo is this a
undersea uav yeah bro look at that look at that thing it looks like a bird of course the lockheed
people are making but apparently this thing can go in the water and in the air there's a northrop oh
it's trans medium yeah bro it flies and it goes under the water allegedly who knows that is a
techie yeah like like the more i see this stuff bro it just seems like there there's a a human
morehouse on a couple times and he he worked in the stargate program oh cool yeah and he uh
the most famous ufo sightings ever really including the phoenix lights he showed uh us like images of
something like this and it was the exact shape of the phoenix lights flying the same exact size
regarding on the how anomalous it is how anomalous the sighting is is probably some some reverse
engineered stuff because so brad sorenson sees the lockheed pulsar which seems like the same crazy
technology as that lockheed cormorant and then he's brought to the the final section of the exhibit
where there are three flying saucers stationed hovering off the ground right these look like a
called little bear mama bear and papa bear because they're the same craft scaled one's about 60 feet
in length to the largest about 120 feet in length this yeah yeah you've probably seen that image before
right i've seen this i've seen the drawing before yeah i haven't seen that that is the flux liner so
videotape of i think it's the smallest flux liner um kind of bouncing jaggedly over like a desert surface
yeah those little bubbles on the outside were synthetic vision systems um they're little they're
camera arrays that to kind of create a 3d picture of where the craft going those seats are f4 phantom
about that same control system right there is used to control like the tr3b like reverse engineered
triangle but so these these craft are powered i don't really understand the physics but by like some
anti-gravity capacitor array and so forth and and and the the skinny that brad sorenson is given is that
these craft were created from technology copied found at roswell and that i think the the brass were
saying that you know we were never supposed to have these craft uh we took it from the beans we've
tried to recreate how it works this is the best we can get it it's a basically a poor man's
representation this craft has cameras slapped on the outside and like acrylic bubbles you'd find at a
walmart it has jump seats from a jet it has a navy submarine door on the outside right but we have
tried to reverse engineer the propulsion systems of these craft as as well as possible and these
flying saucer that looks exactly like one of these but it looks like an evolution of the flux liner
would would decrease and you can kind of re rethink the acrylic bubbles but um this is the this is the
story of the flux liner and mark mccandlish would draw what brad told him because brad didn't want
present an at greer's disclosure project he would talk uh yes that's the first image right there
talk to people and apparently he met other people like yousaf veteran kent sellin who saw the same craft
about you know zero point energy systems the flux liner alien reproduction vehicles about less than
three months before the interview is to be before the documentary is to be released james allen gets
ordered an autopsy report on him so did the editor of the documentary that i've talked to
because in this documentary the two james allen and mark mccandlish talk all about you know various
energy systems various zero point energy systems where the inventors have mysteriously died gone missing
the head why and he said and maybe it was 2022 but he said that uh in interview shortly before in 2020
interesting because this was relayed by mark mccandlish for the better part of 30 years right
i found the original interview with brad sorenson and bill scott from aviation week and space technology
once i find that and put up a video of the flux liner i get a call from a ufo researcher very well-known
internal for who exactly why because i messaged brad sorenson i emailed right and the amount of
your family you'll never see it coming uh mark was a stupid dramatic uh fool you're gonna end up the
brad there's more than meets the eye to brad here and so brad kind of gave me a little bit of the
what i saw and stuff like that it's an incredibly intriguing case the flux liner incredibly intriguing
like everybody thinks about the tr3b triangle right like the the famous triangle from edgar fouché it's got
the three four lights on the bottom the big red light and then three lights on the kind of the
exterior of the triangle i think i know what you're talking about well so see if you can find a picture
just like the classic triangle the sal pais patents yeah there bill mcdonald worked with ryan and dr
robert wood of mcdonald douglas who are some some great investigators into the majestic 12 documents and so we
forth in 1992 in antelope valley california kind of the aerospace hub of of the united states he met
with two lockheed and two northrop engineers and these guys worked at the lockheed martin hellendale
radar cross-section facility and the northrop tayhon radar cross-section facilities now these two places
illustrate the reverse engineered craft they had been working on that they are so tired of the secrecy
the the sources on this subject as well for this uh triangular craft and he won't give them up that's it
yeah first first one right there but what's interesting here is are you a fan of the x-files
yes okay so season one episode one of the x-files not the pilot but it's the episode called deep
gone missing and encounters this craft uh chris carter and john de souza the fbi agent on which
the first season of the x-files was based went up to bill mcdonald and contracted him to use to use
that design for the the x-files uh episode which i found really interesting really interesting so
vehicle you know there's the triangles there's the saucers uh possibly what michael herrera saw
it's like in a in close encounters of the third time third kind there's large crates and boxes of
didn't he also use the same hand scanner that bob yeah yeah yeah it's it's really really intriguing
like et to some high up military officials who kind of commented how et and like the subject of
about it um yeah bro so the jake barber stuff like the psionic stuff um what do you make of all that
it's it's so it's so interesting but i was kind of of the mind that before you introduce subjects like
which you know the stargate program and saic did a heck of a lot into but i think before that was
because the jake barber psionics at the range the whole mo was to use psionics to bring in these craft
and either force them to land or use some directed energy weapons to blast right the sky right sounds
and we retrieve them but the the subject of i would still be pretty keen to see a demonstration of
what do you think no i don't know i had never heard about it before the jake barber stuff but it does
like the the fact like what michael herrera and jake barber were talking about with allegedly going to
first of all they're from like this remote part of the world they're not really connected from tech to
were talking about on the phone yesterday i think i was telling you like like children i seem to be
similar like cats and dogs can like can sense different energies you know in the room it's uh it's
somebody farts and you didn't have the sense of smell or a nose you'd just be sitting in their
don't have the senses to detect right you know right and you know the subject of psionics is nothing new
uh you can look back to the claims of of lieutenant colonel philip j corso who of course he's infamous for
the book the day after roswell which has a bunch of added nonsense from right co-writer bill burns if
you want to actually understand corso's story you should read his manuscript the day after roswell
but he even talks about some of the technologies leveraged and utilized from the roswell crash
specifically was systems to try and control icbm missiles with brain waves so all the way back with
corso in 1960 to 1962 he you know if if what he's talking about under the foreign technology division is
and if you look at the old uh old files of leonard stringfield he talks multiple times about headband
transceivers being found in crashed ufos that control the craft so it's it's it's nothing new i i just think
that a lot of the time with like uh you really got to slow down and demonstrate the capabilities of
right like each youtube video creates a lot of discourse of of you know the the pinpricks of
firm demonstration needs to be made and then you can kind of bring in some of the baggage with that
yeah young as well kids from the gate programs the gifted and talented education programs and
i i would like to and allegedly they were kept at the spot and like they were held there and fed a
specific diet yeah and like given certain medications something like this yeah one of the
but he's told me he was in the the gate program as a child and now he's a sky watcher psionic what's
interesting about his case is he said while he was in the gate program one time as a young kid a bunch
the description of that sphere is almost identical to a witness that jesse and i both covered uh randy
anderson who was a former u.s army green beret who 2013 to 2015 was at the naval surface warfare center
he was one of two guys in the green beret unit with um you know high clearance levels for a
oh yeah i remember this interview yeah and he was uh shown something called the off-world
you know maybe there's a difference in what like lou elizondo wants versus what eric davis wants at the
end of the day for disclosure and how these things are brought about what does the navy do what does
the air force do what does the army do in terms of ufo crash retrieval reverse engineering how
siloed are the programs is the navy working on an arv and the army working on an arv both the same
program but have no cross communication uh what role does the do the intelligence agencies play how
does the neuro hop in how does the nsa hop in you know how do these programs work how are they funded
mechanisms for such programs like back in the 80s uh the navy was being overcharged by the grumman
at the pentagon for the air force research development test and evaluation panel chain uh he said in in two
separate years 34 billion and then 40 billion dollars went missing from the air force and non-transfer
of authority funds just completely wiped off the books you know i've also been privy to conversations
programs and then of course you have uh katherine austin fitz who talks about really creative funding uh from the
overcharging uh like the nsa seven like five to seven billion dollars for the trailblazer program
that completely didn't work but the nsa kind of was fraud was fraudulently charged by saic for all of
kirkpatrick saic has insane ties to the wilson davis memo saic has ties to director of neuro bobby ray
up expecting an interview at a large contractor she's hired on the spot at a massive campus that
to do on the job and eventually a bunch of letters come in while she's working at saic that are
she's working in the building where saic does all sorts of classified chemical and biological
them and says what you know what do i what do i do with these contracts the superior says i think the
it on massive dod contracts so she goes in the file room to find these contract numbers to find
the contracts to find the programs and in each file for every single program all that's in there is just
a paper that says we're working on it the same file updates so the saic is undergoing enormous
be funneled like katherine austin fitz says specifically mentioning saic into the black
budget so she uh she goes and tells sophia the woman that recruited her eventually and sophia freaks
out she gets reprimanded by her superiors all the files are taken away she's harassed by one of the
the bosses and she eventually quits when she almost chokes on some food and like nobody helps her but so
later on down the line she's interested to search for sophia because she never saw sophia again
in the early days of the internet she finds sophia's picture same first name different last name on a
cia operatives database but the weird thing is that this sophia girl that recruited her to work at
there with saic in 1992 is also when saic took all took over the stargate program from sri and the cia
reports on it using human subjects for such things and i guess the research was carried on and taken
seriously because as recently as 2013 the office of naval research published a study like a revolutionary
yeah they're involved in so much weird shit man i told you the first time i heard about it when i was
reading that article all about the creation of google yeah how that basically google was incubated by like
darpa yeah and the cia and all this stuff basically going and visiting sergey brin at stanford and you know
got the page rank system directly from darpa yeah which is strange but you know you know if you just
at where we're at now with all the stuff that's going on you know how they're basically trying to like
influence the narrative of the public and censor certain speech and and boost other speech and using you
like the deep state essentially is now creating all these appliances and software that are integrated into
on this company to make a living because they basically own the internet yeah you know that's
the internet can work hand in hand yeah it can influence such extreme thought narratives i mean
saic themselves they were they chaired the the panel that testified to the uh senate select
committee on intelligence that said saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and thus the united
states needed to invade iraq and when no weapons of mass destruction were found they chaired the same
panel that said we investigated ourselves and we did nothing wrong absolving the government the
these private contractors we talked a lot about like the doe which is interesting because you know
nuclear war she talks a lot about the department of energy which from what i understand is
is you might know more about this than i do but the doe the department of energy essentially is like
the fourth fifth or sixth name change from the manhattan project yeah it was the manhattan project
and they changed the name to something else atomic energy commission something else and now the
manhattan project is basically it's the same thing as the doe it's the same fucking organization yeah
i mean it's crazy to think about and that that's the same company that put out puts out regulations
of like what types of light bulbs we're allowed to use or sell the i mean the doe is truly an enormous
special response team that transfer like nuclear radiological materials across the continental united
states the doe has their hand in almost every pie i mean the doe is born from the granddaddy the atomic
the 1954 atomic energy act that is literally name dropped in the uapda and literally said hey
nuclear information under the atomic energy commission so the the doe just has their hand in so many pies
and the doe also sponsors so many federally funded research and development centers like lawrence
such locations and and even the doe what they were doing in um i think it was the like the 60s or 70s when
basically uh frack oil using nuclear weapons it's just insane like like you said all the all the uh
all the pies they have their hands in bro whenever you investigate a crash retrieval story or like a
connection to the doe it's a it's a very very scary organization and you know even in some high profile
whistleblower testimony like edgar fouché who talked about the tr3b reverse engineered alien reproduction
vehicle he directly said stuff like the lawrence livermore national labs and sandy national labs to doe
ffrdc's reverse engineer the propulsion devices for the tr3b and what about battelle where does battelle fit
kind of doing some some secret projects on that wasn't really declassified into the early 60s when
why does battelle have their own really secretive ufo program uh back in the same time as blue book
ground at the west desert test center which is degway proving grounds major range test facility base where
in the aviary area of doug way which is you know an air force pretty pretty extensive contractor
hovering off the ground and it was being worked on by by various individuals well the west desert
test center which specializes in chemical and biological work if you look at the history of
people who have run the west desert test center it's always former battelle guys always battelle also
runs multiple ffrdc's like the out near fort dietrich maryland and that kind of region which has really
high profile biological and chemical work that there's some rumors that that's where some of the bodies
kind of set the playbook by forming something called triad national security it was battelle a
titanium alloy studies from battelle that was you know i can't remember the date declassified but it was
by a man named i was just the night and all stuff yeah okay yeah i is it edward it's not how
it crossed it's edward something but it's a name it's a name that worked on one of the you know
flying saucers essentially yeah i remember jeremy wriss he he went to one of the big hearings i think
their hands all over this stuff as we've seen with the nitinol nickel titanium alloy studies and
say the biggest corporations that have their hand in this stuff it would be battelle it would be saic
yeah l3 harris and yeah probably some of the biggest then ffrdc is i'd say the mitre corporation
i i have quite a a bit of knowledge on the mitre corporation the rand corporation uh the aerospace
corporation here's what's pretty interesting the aerospace corporation so there's so many all the doe
labs to try national security oak ridge at the center for naval analyses institute for defense
analyses and then you got the uark georgia tech pennsylvania state university which is really
really interesting uh which we'll talk about in a second but the so the rand corporation was built
out of usaff project rand which was kind of involved with underground constructions but the aerospace
corporation as well as the mitre corporation as well as bdm which is a contractor not an ffrdc were all
started between 1959 and 1960 the exact date that you know philip j corso says that you know alien
technology was starting to be seeded into the military and public when that began so it's just
specifically but the aerospace corporation is the one ffrdc he knew of that engages with this stuff
and on the on the uark level the university affiliate research center you have stuff like the
this was started by dr eric a walker dr eric a walker is one of the most underrepresented figures
in all of ufo in my opinion back in 1950 i consultant to the defense research science board or the r d
talks about him all the time he met with a canadian radio engineer wilbert b smith and said some pretty
of understand them reverse engineer them are headed by dr vannevar bush and the matter isn't top secret
to the point it's classified two points higher than the h-bomb and so this made its way into an official
or crash retrieval operations dr eric a walker and so eventually dr eric a walker was contacted by the
same researchers william steinman and so forth dr eric a walker not only admitted he was at the 1965
kexberg pennsylvania crash not only admitted that he knew about the majestic 12 but also said one of the
most interesting quotes in all the subject when asked about how to gain access in these programs
he said something along the lines of what do you know about esp extrasensory perception unless you
walker who started the applied research laboratory pennsylvania's uarc is is one of the most underrepresented
and entwined guys and kind of ufo lore of all time because this guy said he was at the 65 kexberg crash
which is a great case too yeah it seemed the esp remote viewing uh stuff seems to be like the at the
foundation of all of this stuff man and it's also like the the convenient thing about it is it's the
most ridiculous sounding thing i'm with you people can people can like comprehend or like swallow the idea
psionics this stuff work i i am i'm of the mind also like many of the skeptics i i think there should be
stuff because just like you and just like a lot of the public that is the hardest part for me to wrap
my head around yeah technological craft being shot down by the strategic defense initiative sure that's
there's a lot there to digest and research but stuff like psionics and and the consciousness studies i i
of them and you know some of the guys like i think the guy that that jesse interviewed the um
i think was a marine you mentioned him earlier michael michael he was the guy who went down into
the base and they were like brought through all these uh these like compartments and they finally
disconnected from it they seem to be the most credible and they're like kind of like one-off
interesting things but you know when you have like i i don't know about the jake barber stuff
the extent to literally put nsa people in a guy's house and beam fake information into his house and
sure nobody believes anything he says about seeing these aircrafts flying over the mountains imagine
what the hell they're doing 60 years later absolutely it's almost incomprehensible especially when you add
the internet and social media into it it's like jesus christ man like how are we ever gonna get to the
the bottom of any of this stuff well specifically doty has been rearing his head recently he was on
course just the other day that new wall street journal um article did did you see that it's a
sean kirkpatrick love letter that says we solved all the ufo program all everything was just an air
and blah blah blah is this the wall street journal thing that like talks about lou elizondo because i saw
lou responded to that that oh okay that same article you're talking about yeah and the article talks
about how like uh the 1967 malmstrom air force base incident was just like a large emp device that was
brought up to the front gate of malmstrom afb 60 feet in the air and basically took a a bunch of
minutemen missile operators by surprise turning off the icbms just uh so there's there's unfortunately with
sophisticated disinformation campaigns since the 1950s i mean 1953 right after the sightings of ufos
over washington dc there was something called the robertson panel the robertson panel was supposed
everything was okay it's just there's no problem here there's nothing to see here same with the
1969 condon committee and then in the 1960s you have things like air force regulation 200-2 which
restricted civilian and military pilots from reporting ufos and on the similar side you went
possible imprisonment so all along the way you have all of these psyops and you have all these interesting
things then of course we have all sap and then a tip recently those um bigelow aerospace the slides
interesting thing bringing up bigelow aerospace is the fact that john or is john bigelow no it's not
john bigelow what's his first robert robert bigelow um robert bigelow is so obsessed with the
to like measure and it's like sci-fi woo-woo stuff that he's interested in and he's like one of the
biggest investors in this ufo aerospace stuff yeah and then according to some of the the bass documents
that released from the osap program like bass was seriously studying the the tick-tock scene by
the tick-tock is ours that lou elizondo and jay stratton specifically are legacy program gatekeepers that
essentially kind of keep emergent technologies from surfacing and then provided a bunch of the bass
that especially kind of you're right the big low is really interesting how he's so into more of the
of that esoteric stuff i'll leave that in the consciousness studies to jesse because he's got a
that's what i like about your stuff is that you you like are going to the crazy extent to like
and uh you know like it's hard it's hard to find this stuff bro yeah the stuff that you're like that
your hour and 45 minutes into the history of this case that happened in peru freaking decades ago and
that the stuff will be too boring but i need to say it because specifically for jonathan like
to arrive at the conclusion that it was nest that picked him up doe nest i drew out flight routes from
the doe cessna jets they owned in 19 96 from uh sandia national labs down to panama air force base
know i i'm not solving anything i'm trying to i'm doing the best to get to the bottom of it but
they really need to be scrutinized intensely because just re just reading the testimony and not really
opinion just regurgitating the stories isn't isn't enough right and that's a that's a trap that you
platform and i'm trying to just talk about like the news of the day you kind of get bogged down you
kind of like lose your footing in what you're really trying to in like the real investigations that
and i'd say no like i i fancy myself as like an old school ufo investigator like i i want to do the
conclusions like it's i make these projects very selfishly for myself sometimes because a lot of the time
when i'm researching or doing the investigation i can kind of click with various things and i also
everything about the contract and the agencies at play and so forth right you were mentioning uh
earlier when we talked about corso and the day after roswell you said there was some writer that was a
hollywood writer that like made up a bunch oh yeah bill burns because the reason i'm curious about
think that was real some of them were added some of them weren't but the distinguishing difference
corso makes in his work is like um integrated circuitry and transistors and stuff he makes the claim
that a lot of these stuff weren't copied like the technology wasn't basically seeded from craft but
variation of something like the transistor integrated circuit allowed for further advancements of our
it but he was skeptical that stuff like transistors were taken from the roswell craft when transistors and
let's take the transistor for example if a transistor was pulled from the roswell craft yeah i think that
pulling like a more advanced transistor type piece of technology off the roswell crash may have allowed
non-human technology not inventing technology out of the ether because we just pull it from a non-human
was another technology yeah crash well corso's corso said that there was an eye film on the beans
but what's interesting to me about this is in in the in the manuscript it was just made for his
like he's trying to sell this story to a huge world because there's massive differences in the
uh manuscript versus the book the book talks the first chapter about corso sitting like isaac newton
under a tree like thinking about the roswell crash basically placing himself there no the manuscript is
actually from corso and not with added fluff like in the book in the book there's one like senior
wound with like corso acts so tough to do that and that's not in the manuscript that's fluff nonsense
why people take corso so skeptically if all they've read is the day after roswell right right what
think the most interesting example of where john alexander was president present was 1985 at the
projects at los alamos national labs and he is mentioned multiple times in the wilson davis interview
ray inman and of course that's somebody we talked about right no bobby ray inman is the neuro guy he's
the cia guy he's the nsa guy he's the saic guy he's the wackenhut guy oh wow what he's he's one of the
is recorded so you can actually listen to it and bobby ray inman does the whole i know nothing about
heineman freaks out says no don't talk to me nothing there heineman was also director of the nro program
b and was actually the first one of the first heads of pine gap when it opened up in the 70s
components that had to be assembled and disassembled in certain ways if you're going to gain access to the craft
director of neuro cia all this but then in 2020 and this echoes the present very well bobby ray
statements back and bobby ray inman has a very illustrious history he was also on the board for
performing security at area 51 s4 yeah i learned all about wackenhut when i had the dudes in here that
made the danny casolero documentary really have you seen that documentary holy bro you gotta watch that
it is they talk all about like it's it's called the octopus murder you know what i can't believe i
haven't watched the octopus murders yet so many people have told me to watch it amazing it they
talk it basically explains how like all of these things are connected with wackenhut the cia and all
attached to one another and danny casolero got to the bottom of this thing
yeah and uh it's it's an amazing documentary and they they go deep into it the wackenhut stuff
what you know wackenhut wackenhut even has ties and in the subject we're talking about now with the
department of energy uh i mentioned the department of energy special response teams that are like
industrial security personnel which i think industrial security personnel are the actual
armed guards and so forth that will be inside of a ufo facility guarding the usap program locations and
it's interesting he said that uh he was the guy who said that a bunch of the stuff can be explained
even the uh the the stuff that was leaked by the the 2017 uh new york times stuff yeah the footage of
the the i forget if it's the go fast there's one of them where the basically it shows the thing flying
across the water with the water in the background yeah go fast yeah and he's like whoa are you seeing
that or whatever you can easily explain that with uh because the what people don't understand is that
object is moving in one direction and the plane is moving in the other direction and you have the
parallax of the water underneath it to make it looks like it's it looks like it's going 10 times faster
than it could be a bird yeah flying across the surface of the water i i agree with you i i don't
think those videos are the cream of the crop definitive anything i i in fact i think that video and picture
evidence is some of the the least compelling stuff we can get i'm i'm with you the debate still rages on
made on a single one of them right besides maybe just the go fast and it kind of downgrading it to
possible parallax effect right would be a treat is if you're familiar with the whistleblower matt brown
getting okay so matt brown wrote the uh immaculate constellation report oh yes okay some of those
in the immaculate constellation report for people that don't know what the immaculate constant
highly doubt that but within the immaculate constellation report there's detailing of you know videos and imagery
from satellites of morphologies of craft from everything to triangles hovering over the indo-pacific
the interesting thing about this report is it talks specifically about reproduction vehicles it once said
and created the immaculate constellation report which was presented to uh the house in november of 2024
mm-hmm wow let's let's see that dang satellite footage of that saucer resting in the clouds because
that's the type of of footage that's that's going to be compelling you know recently there was the lou
alizando kerfuffle of presenting the irrigation circles did you see that no oh my goodness so at the uap oh
over a flat land that that's the kind of stuff that actively hurts the topic very badly yeah that's
debunked within like an hour and you know props to props to the people who who debunked that but i just
yeah because he he said he was given the photograph that morning or the night before hadn't had time
uh videos and stuff really don't don't push the push the envelope there's endless debate over
anyone have you seen the video i'm sure you've seen the video of the uh what do they call it the the
i the one the one that was in iraq oh the mosul orb or the jellyfish the jelly yeah the jellyfish
yeah the jellyfish looks like a cluster of balloons gosh yeah it's it's so hard to tell with
because jeremy corbell posted the said the full video shows the thing rising out of the water
oh yeah and if that exists that dispels the whole balloon narrative but until we're presented with
we had what's his name the nasa engineer kevin newth or he was kevin knuth he wasn't an engineer he
for a while i think and he was telling me the whole story about the uh the japanese airliner
that giant freaking ship the size of like 15 football fields pulling up right next to him
you remember the the pilot of the japan airlines flight i think this was in 1986 said that huge
it the thing just disappeared in an instant yeah and you're right it was tracked on radar as well i
can't remember the i i'm sure the debunker explanation is that it was venus or something that
the the it was venus well you know the the joke here is that so many debunkers when when trained pilots
say they see strange lights um the debunker explanation is just venus or something but i that's a such a
compelling case there's also a spanish airliner case in the 70s of an actual plane uh commercial
airliner that was grounded due to ufo sightings in the plane's pathway i can't remember what the flight
that sort of multi-sensor detection is is really what what can help push the envelope and kevin knuth is
about some of like the physics and experience g-forces by craft in in that sighting in the graham
bouthane encounter i think it was and then the the tic tac in 2004 which he estimated when the tic tac
and airplane sightings from from all around the world it's uh and then you know another thing i
convenient yeah but what about the radar that like they have all kinds of i'm sure they have all kinds
she was showing us a map of all the submarine highways around the world for all the countries
and between the us russia and china it is just like the oceans are littered with submarine high
subs but which obviously would never probably leak into the public right and what's interesting is you
and there's a lot of of so in project blue book there's a great documents like the unexplained of
blue book and it's just all the really unexplained sightings that had no real conclusion and some of
the water in 1950 and i think kevin knuth talked about a new zealand destroyer case just off of new
like a huge saucer type craft that passed very fast under the destroyer and knocked out the power
that if nasa has been involved in so much since the moon landing and all that stuff that there's got to be
there i can't recall them off the top of my head but there are stories of like lunar or apollo
astronauts on the way or returning from the moon seeing strange craft or strange craft following
them there's allegedly a tape taken by one of the apollo astronauts there's the testimony of of this
left out of the club nasa is pretty underfunded nasa doesn't have some of the most cutting-edge
technology i i think at least to me it seems like a lot of the cutting-edge technology and actual craft
it's relegated to asymmetrical warfare advantages and that stuff's going to be kept in the deep black of
the military and intelligence community yeah i think who was it that was telling me i think it was
was like shown photo oh this was this has something to do with the moon he was shown something on the
a joke like doesn't look like he biked enough because he was a little bit on the portly side
yeah carl wolf talked about anomalies on the moon and how uh i think what they spoke about is carl wolf
was privy to some of these images and was like gobsmacked and so excited for the upcoming news
interesting stuff on the moon i know jesse and joe were talking about the dark side of the moon how
you know the moon's tidally locked so a lot of the time the dark side faces away from us but also
branch of service but was talking about how the chinese are mining helium three on the moon oh really
for power sources that's crazy because we haven't had a we haven't the us hasn't had a person out of
our solar system which is possible because you know like gary mckinnon right he's the nasa he's the
nasa hacker in 2002 i think it was the guy who lives outside the states now yes he hacked into various dod
databases and found like a non-terrestrial officers list and uh i can't remember the ship but he he saw an
so who you know there's there's the whole secret space program stuff that ssp with like cory goode
in the 23 and back that's all really out there stuff that i don't really subscribe to but you know
earth yeah the moon stuff is odd moon stuff is odd the the the moon landing stuff is really odd too
because uh i know it's uh it's frowned upon to to question the moon land yeah um but like there's a
lot of really big questions that like need answers about the moon landing like like how did they how do
they lose all of the data right on the moon landing stuff they they claim that if you i asked chat gpt
chat gpt will tell you that the response or the the answer to why they lost all of that information
like it's also the only it's also the only technological feat in any sort of uh industry
implemented right right yeah because we were talking about the dsrvs right the deep submergence rescue
computing systems than even the latest apollo lunar modules so there wasn't the best and brightest
because apparently like the russians sent like a dog through the van allen radiation belt and it died
like a day after the claim there is that the van allen radiation belt like destroy either keeps either
destroyed the footage that we had at the moon landing or oh yeah it kind of keeps us close to home
basically it's toxic for a human to pass through which right it's this the ladder okay it's both it's
like we we would have been going to the moon you know ever since then but yeah but we have it and we
i think jimmy carter was the first one said we're gonna go we're gonna go back to the moon and then
you know even trump has said multiple times we're gonna go back to the moon but the moon landing
that the moon missions keep getting pushed back pushed back and it just recently got pushed back
like june of next year remember we were supposed to go to mars in 2025 and even back in the the 60s and
70s out of the rand corporation and stuff there were all sorts of plans for lunar bases and like lunar
underground on the moon like yeah maglev trains and none of this ever transpired it it is curious
the the whole the whole moon is the apollo missions there's a lot to chew on there and i've never really
taken the time to sit through and sift through it but it's so interesting and that period of time
in the middle of the cold war was when the united states was there was so much deception and so much
happening around that i mean the kennedy assassination cover-up you know watergate
you know mk ultra that was that was all happening at the same exact time the moon missions happened
so and you know it's just there's so many questions and you know the fact that anyone who questions it is
is automatically painted as a fool yeah yeah anything should be questioned one of the speaking about
exploring our own solar system on our own moon what we talked about the the flux liner alien
reproduction vehicle i forgot to mention one of the interesting things brad sorenson said is
that some of these suit and ties showing off the flux liner claimed that the flux liner had been
taken to various places in our solar system because this thing flew at basically this the speed of
world in which either gary mckinnon's uh non-terrestrial officers or the flux liner alien
fits is so she uh sent me this book called uh i think it's called the rings of saturn have you heard of
this i think so we're allegedly like back in the i forget which year it was but i get there's a photo
of the first probe that got like really close to saturn took a photo of the uh the ring around
saturn and the i haven't read the book yet but but apparently the claim of the book is that they found
like some sort of weird looking vehicle that was like whoa parked inside of the ring of saturn i i think
she's a math wizard you know she she she looks at this stuff and she's been in the government and
stuff like you know taking all this stuff from the nazis and and uh creating a breakaway civilization
of bankers trying to get off the the freaking earth in case something happens and um you know all this ufo
she's a very credible person yeah and she's really hip to the kind of ufo lore and the ufo subject she
had like a series of 20 like 25 interviews over the years on dark journalist and i watched every
research yeah oh she is like over 20 everything from like the ufo economy 1.0 to 3.0 to so many
and abuse right but he's getting he's taking uh auditing like the irs social security the hhs
and not looking at the black hole of the trillions of dollars missing from the pentagon
this data from the irs and the hhs because it's you know you could have all the data on all the human
beings inside of the united states and integrate that with xai and palantir ai and elon's been you know
on record talking about how he loves china's wechat you know the wechat is the oh yeah
through this centralized wechat and and um the fact that he's you know talked so highly of the wechat
palantir and integrating all this stuff and using all of the hhs social security and irs data to
integrate it with the ai is and working with palantir who just got like a like an 800 million
goodness part of it had something to do with uh elon really wanted this specific person to be the head
of nasa and trump said no i don't want that guy to be the head of nasa because he said something was
because then of course uh elon implicated trump in the epstein files and he said that's why they're not
released so you just can leave the tweet too yeah things got ugly really fast and so you're saying
even get to the bottom of where these dollars are going right yeah apparently apparently all you know
all the places that elon was looking for waste fraud and abuse pales in comparison to what the
pentagon is missing and the trillions of dollars like why didn't he go look for that because those
are funneled into black holes and they're so one of the things i i really want to understand that i
is the creative accounting around them you know what i i think i i can't definitively prove it but i
end of fiscal year the amount of creative accounting must be a nightmare to to try and track any of it
see somebody like her looking at it from the looking at it through the lens of accounting yeah
you know and it needs to be done because especially for the subject of like deep underground military
bases back in the 60s and 70s the us army corps of engineer like we talked about published a ton of
constructed in pre-existing cavities without uh too much expenditure out of out of the budget and
dollars we might have to look at the bureau of reclamation that have dug out tunnels all across
the united states for waterways for aqueducts aqueducts etc and how these might have some
clandestine secondary operations to track those monies and one of the questions with these uh these
of like catastrophe and that's the main idea of people that build their own bunkers is like how
layers there's there's huge stiffs existing around and a lot of them are provable for example the manzano
national labs also in new mexico is an acknowledged stiff and then there are uh the army corps of engineers
proving ground in arizona and back in the 60s the u.s army corps of engineers did a ton of deep basing
imagine they they have to have some sort of setup on the moon like some sort of base oh agree if we
actually did go to the moon in 69 and 70 and you know during those apollo missions i would find it
hard to believe that that we haven't set up something there to like at least back up the data of humanity
it's going to be like it's going to wipe out our technology and the the data that we have and you
rocketry where you have to overcome the earth's escape velocity it makes far more sense to station
some of those assets on the moon where you don't have to consistently overcome that as such an escape
velocity yeah so it makes perfect sense yeah and of course the rand system and other uh other uh ffrdc's
incorporations of interest we're doing studies of of maglev systems below the moon's surface which if
yeah especially if we have stuff like the tr3b for logistics and a right to transport some stuff from what
construction materials supplies logistics to a place like the moon if you want to have a
try and scare me by saying my full name yeah because he did the full s i think he i'm trying to remember
but he did the full mr samuel like full name so yeah but thank you brother for having me this has been
an honor and this is the coolest studio i've ever seen oh thanks bro yeah we've been working on it for a
always working on the next um i don't know what's gonna be released by now it may be a big project on
knowledge on like the wilson davis notes and stuff but in between my videos always expect another one in
about four weeks time as soon as one ends i'm working another one there you go that's the
channel the videos will always be about crash retrieval reverse engineering material exploitation
uh i try and uh lay the topics out as as best as possible if you want to start on one uh video for
for new viewers maybe the the navy one because that that one that one's really interesting or maybe
the jonathan waygant or alien reproduction vehicle corso grumman i i don't know the way one is
fucking phenomenal the uh that one right there reverse engineering at edwards that's the story
of ed the guy i told you about so that that's always one interesting that ko yum i don't know
you start watching you can't stop it pulls you right in oh i know if the subject is so difficult
a little bit yeah we'll see and hopefully the uap da the new legislation to be entered into the
up a independent review board appointed by the president confirmed by the senate of like civilian
paul i think that blocked this uh from the senate and then senate communicating with the house to get
this passed so and i think there was some involvement of mike turner uh former rep that that uh he's the
ohio guy right right patterson and then there's even some uh rumors of like the eminent domain
finally start to peer behind the 1954 atomic energy act well cool man i learned a lot thank you again for
your time thank you brother we'll link all the stuff below and that's all folks all right appreciate it