uh wagant eventually kind of came to hearing montalier sorry hearing sergeants allen and
on stephen greer's uh disclosure project archive wow so he was part of the 2000 disclosure briefing
his life so he decided to speak out but so how long ago did you talk to him uh i talked to him
he's a stand-up guy he's hilarious he's great uh so i i talk to him all the time but getting back to
uh uap disclosure disclosure amendment i know i'm familiar with it but i don't i don't know a lot of
going to crash us southcom thought this russian probe was going to crash uh either in the pacific or
of spooky shit going on in south america in the 90s like there's a lot of there was a lot of uh ufo crash
incidents yeah and there was uh a lot of i think that jacques filet book was earlier than the 90s
this kind of stuff well because same year we have uh virginia brazil yeah james fox's big case right
in 1978 in bolivia there was a case of a uh almost like a tic-tac like a cylindrical shaped object
really interesting and then uh kind of rounding out the wagant story he was then on the on the 47
to me and i emailed them uh just cordially saying like hey i'd like to talk to you about your time in
call him the men in black telling people not to talk about their encounters right and these uh these
of contractors contractors including raytheon uh lawrence livermore national labs sandia national labs
that's what he thinks right he doesn't have any sort of uh confirming evidence for that it's just
uh kind of love and light communication and these beings were very friendly to jonathan asking for
morphologies and so forth yeah i'm sure you've heard uh i'm sure you've heard the story of annie
so george knapp uh i'm trying to think about that guy's name it's slipping me right now she only released
released his name because i think he's dead now yes so i'm trying to think and uh i'm trying to think
basically what he told annie is that it was a russian drone that was flown here uh for by
basically to make them look like aliens and they crashed it crashed whether on purpose or not and uh
parroted by rick doughty uh air force said the same thing osi officer yeah and in greer's i think it
tonapa just northwest yeah yeah the s4 stuff is crazy man i i don't know uh i don't think i don't
remember if she talked about s4 in the uh in the area 51 book or not but it's really interesting some
know building the um those uh those those blackbirds yeah those and the and the u2 and all that stuff
the tic tac type stuff tic tac uh triangles saucers i don't know i think i i think it's a mix of
their radar upgraded um now you know what dolan was explaining to me is that there's documented uh
uh accounts of these underwater ufos coming out of the ocean in like 1717 which is crazy and and and
it's crazy well i know you and uh dolan were talking about the subject of uso and i know you guys
books uh such as the uh the intelligence community by jeffrey t richelson great book i
operations keep track of and uh commence missions with some of our sensitive nuclear submarines
the cia and neuro create the glow mark explorer to go retrieve the vessel and i think it embarks in uh 1972
right and conventional wisdom only a third of the k129 is retrieved uh maybe more probably more and it
really really interesting kind of connections with neuro come with uh chief scientist of special
inventory of a collection of objects on the sea floor for national security importance uh ranging from
basically a submarine rescue vehicle uh this was out of response to the loss of the uss thresher
la-di-la-di-da and the dssv which is used for ocean surveying uh ocean engineering retrieval operations
and so forth uh there were supposed to be six dsrv and six dssv the two submersible units built
8 000 feet uh sea sea floor wow
seafloor for 30 or 40 years and so eventually the team is tasked with rigging uh materials to the
a lost uh f-14 off a u.s aircraft carrier but so the the object is rigged up uh you know the crew makes
and i'm trying to track this down because mark uh drew sketches of this for art bell and he also
point of like underwater bases right yeah there's a uh there's a great author his name's richard
states but also published a ton of papers such as like uh self-contained nuclear reactors to power
war ii there was uh there was a system called the roar bond by some german scientists which was a
speeds and at this time uh hans kammler and various uh really nasty nazi scientists were using
engineering of non-human technologies how are these programs structured uh what sort of communication is
like let's say that some of his uh starlink satellites are interfering with the nro's ai sentient program
whether it be like a full uh read in or not you know i'd wager it's probably high probability he's
something like that yeah uh our good mutual friend jesse michaels was just on joe rogan and they
lot of egng in nevada and this harkens back to 1997 where uh stephen greer uh brigadier general
access programs and wilson went uh according to the documents according to the wilson davis memo
posted by pseudonym sedge masters about a ufo crash retrieval team uh trw also bought up um bdm
as well yeah i want to ask you about him to go work for uh in 1985 but trw in 1993 or 1994 right
purchases uh trw in 2002 2003 and immediately pays off that lawsuit for them which is really interesting
sap regulations and that's really interesting because uh as as far as i know from just people
uh something like air force something like ed if he's really testing reverse engineer triangles so
out there at uh at edwards air force base right right yeah another thing we we i think we glossed
over in the beginning which i just remembered was during jonathan when jonathan was uh sent out to go
heard uh air force personnel talking about craft entering and exiting earth's atmosphere at like mach 10
stuff because he like he was is it true that like he was going in to try to like uh red team red whatever
high level information and did greer know about this and willingly let uh barber in knowing that he
uh whistleblowers who i have found in greer's dpi archive his disclosure project initiative archive
under the number uh 10 8 9 2 this guy talks about being on an alien reproduction vehicle retrieval team
at nellis air force base and uh kind of witnessing the touchdown of a sunflower extraterrestrial craft
that he cut off contact with greer because he was threatened with uh inappropriate you know
perplexing it really is man but also who knows greer's uh operational security is absolutely abhorrent
them with their pension because some some of these high-level whistleblowers have uh spoken to greer in
of uh the testimonies he receives i think he treats whistleblowers that come to him like his
about that uh i don't i i don't i would rather err on the side of like pushing for disclosure instead
counterintelligence field activity oh yeah yeah uh i on a pedestal of of like high level whistleblowers i
put uh david grush and then um and then you know others but i don't like to engage in the drama but i
would like to see a debate between those two uh greer and elizondo that would be really fantastic and
disclosure project leslie kane uh you know the article of the 2017 new york times article she used
november by the uh ufo hearings into the um disclosure fund event and i talked to her a long
with greer and i think back in the day greer had a little bit of a different mindset uh i think maybe
you know there's just so much fucking bullshit oh i know and especially uh official nonsense like dr
sean kirkpatrick the head of arrow who is fraught with a lot of uh really weird past so you're familiar
about them oh absolutely the miter corporation and uh like a group called the better angels
and uh moultrie famously in in 2022 kind of debunked the subject of ufos and so forth kirkpatrick used to
all that uh really whiny and then he goes on to work at oak ridge which is a department of energy uh ffrdc
at oak ridge he also uh joins georgia techs uh let me see what it's called because i wrote this down
um i can't remember but he went on as a join as georgia tech uh research institute uark a university
university systems that are semi-private but mostly kind of dod and government owned that's why uh you
and a lot of that good stuff but uh additionally since 2025 sean kirkpatrick he had formed his own
strange connections there arrow stinks to high heaven uh they also are arrows also a lion organization
so aerospace illustrator mark mccandless who had done a lot of work for popular mechanics uh various
high profile client uh doesn't really name this person but connected with dod somehow possibly
this year i found a 1990 interview taken to took place two years after this uh experience with brad
locky pulsar which is it is a craft that looks like a pumpkin seed uh craft that is i think powered by if
drawn by mark mccandlish that's drawn by uh that's wild bro have you seen the uh the cormorant the lockheed
cormorant uh what is that i think uh jeremy wrist told me about this oh alien scientist yeah smart cookie
yeah man he knows his stuff he uh type in lockheed cormorant that one's crazy looking whoa that thing
explanation for so many of this you have so much of this i think so yeah i had this guy uh david
morehouse on a couple times and he he worked in the stargate program oh cool yeah and he uh
he was he came in here with like a whole uh presentation of classified military aircraft
the most famous ufo sightings ever really including the phoenix lights he showed uh us like images of
jello mold with half a dome on top steve would you look up flux liner uh two words these things are
before taking off at rapid speeds uh just straight up so this thing to brad sorenson and brad sorenson
jump seats uh so this craft was like jerry rigged that little ball handle right there it's really
interesting in um tom de long's uh book i can't i can't names escape me right now secret machines he talks
saying that you know we were never supposed to have these craft uh we took it from the beans we've
uh according to brad sorenson according to what he saw these these were copy vehicles taken from
present an at greer's disclosure project he would talk uh yes that's the first image right there
this badly there's a much higher definition uh yeah that looks like it image same shape yeah so mark
you know he dies as well in 2020 mark mccandlish was found with a self-inflicted uh gunshot wound to
the head why and he said and maybe it was 2022 but he said that uh in interview shortly before in 2020
happen to him uh court pillow under his pillow i'm sorry a pistol under his pillow yeah i'm sorry
and he you know there's some rumors according to some close sources of uh mark mccandlish that he
guy very respected great on crash retrieval but he's also really close with uh greer like really
your family you'll never see it coming uh mark was a stupid dramatic uh fool you're gonna end up the
of it steve just to make sure there's a a forensic artist named bill mcdonald he worked with uh yeah
around so uh bill mcdonald of course drew that craft it's really interesting steve can you look up
uh tahachapi triangle t-e-h-a-t-e-h-a-c-h-a-p-i triangle and that you know i've pressed bill mcdonald for
the the sources on this subject as well for this uh triangular craft and he won't give them up that's it
throat it's about molder he goes to uh air force base and uh to investigate a test pilot that's
gone missing and encounters this craft uh chris carter and john de souza the fbi agent on which
that design for the the x-files uh episode which i found really interesting really interesting so
vehicle you know there's the triangles there's the saucers uh possibly what michael herrera saw
and i think uh oh gosh who was it who was it recently steven spielberg even said that he showed
seems to be pretty tapped in he's working on another kind of ufo film uh lately yeah i heard
this earthquake disaster zone yeah and trying to capture like kids with like left-handed kids and uh
similar like cats and dogs can like can sense different energies you know in the room it's uh it's
uh you can look back to the claims of of lieutenant colonel philip j corso who of course he's infamous for
forgot to do it he he just talked about uh trying to use brainwaves rain waves rain waves to control icbms
and if you look at the old uh old files of leonard stringfield he talks multiple times about headband
that a lot of the time with like uh you really got to slow down and demonstrate the capabilities of
sky watchers top psionic guys is a guy named uh i can't remember his name it's escaped me right now
of eggheads and uh lab coats brought in a briefcase and opened it up and it was a like a metallic swirling
sphere in there almost like a palantir and told to just kind of look into it and react to it uh
the description of that sphere is almost identical to a witness that jesse and i both covered uh randy
oh yeah i remember this interview yeah and he was uh shown something called the off-world
happening you know yeah and uh and i don't know it's it's almost like it's just so difficult to
it goes because it's it's uh it's overbearing man it's so much to to handle and i don't blame you
program but have no cross communication uh what role does the do the intelligence agencies play how
mechanisms for such programs like back in the 80s uh the navy was being overcharged by the grumman
at the pentagon for the air force research development test and evaluation panel chain uh he said in in two
programs and then of course you have uh katherine austin fitz who talks about really creative funding uh from the
international corporation and i'd love to tell you a really really intriguing story about uh saic's
overcharging uh like the nsa seven like five to seven billion dollars for the trailblazer program
mm-hmm which was supposed to be like a large-scale spine software uh right after 9 11 that was complete
and she actually uh disclosed in i think 2000 and so her story goes in 1992 she was working at a fabric
her sophia says hey come work for this contractor uh you know it better work yeah and so she shows
budget so she uh she goes and tells sophia the woman that recruited her eventually and sophia freaks
saic took over yeah yeah yeah saic huge huge into uh like telepathy telekinesis they have lots of
walk doing like uh status updates every month on what they were doing and how they were doing i think they
saic themselves they were they chaired the the panel that testified to the uh senate select
annie jacobson lays it out really well in her first book uh area 51 and her most recent book about
basically uh frack oil using nuclear weapons it's just insane like like you said all the all the uh
you and jesse talked about it not only do they have ties to ronald moultrie who was uh
nitinol was like accidentally discovered uh battelle memorial institute also ran something called project
why does battelle have their own really secretive ufo program uh back in the same time as blue book
of uh extraterrestrials or non-human intelligence are stored battelle also really smartly battelle
university and another organization that formed like their own uh company to manage some doe labs for
it was a woman and she was like uh i think she was a congresswoman and he was asking her about uh battelle
and she goes excuse me what he goes battelle memorial institute she's like uh how do you
big and had too many contracts it would be raytheon uh boeing booze allen hamilton maybe l3 l3 hair
i i have quite a a bit of knowledge on the mitre corporation the rand corporation uh the aerospace
really interesting uh which we'll talk about in a second but the so the rand corporation was built
canadian department of transport memo that wilbert smith then created uh two ufo projects for canada
which is a great case too yeah it seemed the esp remote viewing uh stuff seems to be like the at the
accurate that movie is but it was uh you know it shows you just how much effort that all these companies
the base and they were like brought through all these uh these like compartments and they finally
people like them you know it's it's uh people that like aren't selling anything and that seem to be
i don't know if i can if i buy that you know it's uh it's just like if they're if they were going to
willing to go to that extent and send some guy into a mental hospital just to uh just to make
about how like uh the 1967 malmstrom air force base incident was just like a large emp device that was
minutemen missile operators by surprise turning off the icbms just uh so there's there's unfortunately with
get as much corroboration for this military stuff and this technology stuff uh which is rare to see
and uh you know like it's hard it's hard to find this stuff bro yeah the stuff that you're like that
the doe cessna jets they owned in 19 96 from uh sandia national labs down to panama air force base
it might take you like months to make yeah that's why somebody uh recently called me like a a podcaster
everything about the contract and the agencies at play and so forth right you were mentioning uh
uh manuscript versus the book the book talks the first chapter about corso sitting like isaac newton
what what is what is your take on john alexander uh john alexander i don't know he what i what i
in 1985 he went to attend this event at bdm mclean uh this event was classified using doe controls
he talked to nasa mission specialist bob eschler bob eschler called him uh somehow they worked they
inman appeared on project unity jay anderson's podcast and said he had found uh explanations
stuff it's all a part of this big crazy deep state blob octopus uh and all these tentacles are
and uh he was found uh he was found with his wrists slashed in a bathtub in a hotel room
yeah and uh it's it's an amazing documentary and they they go deep into it the wackenhut stuff
department of energy uh i mentioned the department of energy special response teams that are like
trained by wackenhut and so they get wackenhut training uh wackenhut worked closely alongside indusec or
it's interesting he said that uh he was the guy who said that a bunch of the stuff can be explained
even the uh the the stuff that was leaked by the the 2017 uh new york times stuff yeah the footage of
that or whatever you can easily explain that with uh because the what people don't understand is that
getting okay so matt brown wrote the uh immaculate constellation report oh yes okay some of those
and created the immaculate constellation report which was presented to uh the house in november of 2024
uh jeremy corbell i think it was his report but shellenberg michael shellenberger presented it right
interesting report and uh of course matt brown just did a three-part interview series with jeremy
near virginia of having hangers owned by amentum i think it is uh that house some recovered craft really
yes i didn't see it this was at south by southwest no no no this was uh this was early may oh okay um there
was a uap disclosure fund uh meeting and i think it was admiral tim gallaudet lou elizondo chris
mellon and uh eric davis speaking and there were some really interesting things said such as eric davis
retrievals which would then create a whole new world of investigation for us in neuro and then uh
uh videos and stuff really don't don't push the push the envelope there's endless debate over
pictures and sightings and it's a huge problem because there had been previous uh pictures
anyone have you seen the video i'm sure you've seen the video of the uh what do they call it the the
was he's a new york university uh physicist physicist great guy right he worked for he worked for nasa
for a while i think and he was telling me the whole story about the uh the japanese airliner
compelling case there's also a spanish airliner case in the 70s of an actual plane uh commercial
and airplane sightings from from all around the world it's uh and then you know another thing i
them are of course maritime and uh uso sightings and some of these are like tic tacs hovering above
oh yeah i think i remember him saying that yeah and then there i've talked to some uh
talked about like uh they've mentioned aircraft carrier sized usos and this is a guy playing i'm not
going to spoil it because i plan to talk to him uh kind of soon on one of my programs but that
got to be some you know i know nasa is a very public facing uh organization but like you would imagine
even before he was uh on nasa flights kind of chasing ufos in a in a jet while in service and there's
yeah carl wolf talked about anomalies on the moon and how uh i think what they spoke about is carl wolf
databases and found like a non-terrestrial officers list and uh i can't remember the ship but he he saw an
maybe there is uh maybe there have been arvs that have been taken for a spin outside of uh outside of
because uh i know it's uh it's frowned upon to to question the moon land yeah um but like there's a
like it's also the only it's also the only technological feat in any sort of uh industry
toxic like a leg according to um this guy we had in here uh bart sybrell who has all these documentaries
world in which either gary mckinnon's uh non-terrestrial officers or the flux liner alien
fits is so she uh sent me this book called uh i think it's called the rings of saturn have you heard of
of the first probe that got like really close to saturn took a photo of the uh the ring around
wow yeah it's just interesting somebody like her who's so smart right and she's uh you know
she's she's a very reasonable rational rational uh smart human being also like believes in all this
stuff like you know taking all this stuff from the nazis and and uh creating a breakaway civilization
uh like elon's doge uh when she was explaining like like elon created doge to find all this waste fraud
and abuse right but he's getting he's taking uh auditing like the irs social security the hhs
dollar contract two weeks ago uh i don't think there's any uh optimistic outcome no of doing
something like that no and he was also uh this recent uh falling out with him and trump oh my
goodness part of it had something to do with uh elon really wanted this specific person to be the head
because then of course uh elon implicated trump in the epstein files and he said that's why they're not
you're not optimistic about uh this kind of doge platform a because we would lead towards a even
transactions skimming off contracts overcharging uh all sort of siphoning off funds leftover funds
constructed in pre-existing cavities without uh too much expenditure out of out of the budget and
clandestine secondary operations to track those monies and one of the questions with these uh these
national labs also in new mexico is an acknowledged stiff and then there are uh the army corps of engineers
velocity yeah so it makes perfect sense yeah and of course the rand system and other uh other uh ffrdc's
do you tell people your real name uh i think jesse said it once so it's it's okay okay so yes so go
by saying i didn't know if you're keeping it secret oh no problem i just don't like when uh uh marines
like coming up people should look forward to yeah absolutely so uh whenever one project's done i'm
saic or it may be another interview with a former uh navy commander with some really interesting
uh i try and uh lay the topics out as as best as possible if you want to start on one uh video for
fucking phenomenal the uh that one right there reverse engineering at edwards that's the story
experts to help roll out a responsible disclosure plan uh formerly it was uh uh mcconnell and rand
paul i think that blocked this uh from the senate and then senate communicating with the house to get
this passed so and i think there was some involvement of mike turner uh former rep that that uh he's the
ohio guy right right patterson and then there's even some uh rumors of like the eminent domain
discussion being talked about by uh travis taylor and jay stratton so i i truly hope that if that