You know a lot of people I interview have had fleeting interactions in one-off instances.
Charles Hall was in the Air Force. He was also stationed at the notorious Area 51.
While stationed there he was in regular contact with an alien race that he calls the tall whites for two years.
There's a guy at NASA who has a deep interest in these sorts of things, experiencers.
Hall enlisted in the US Air Force in 1964 when he was just 19 years old.
From 1965 to 1967 he was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.
He was out in the desert doing routine weather observations when he started noticing strange figures.
One observer was even injured in an encounter with something and given a medical discharge.
In this isolated crucible he began slowly interacting with the tall whites.
Hall claims that the tall whites lived in underground facilities at the north end of Indian Springs Valley, complete with hangers for their craft.
And as you'll see in our conversation, what he saw comports with much of what we've learned about UAPs since 2017.
But the tall whites were not the only alien race described in this story.
Some of them could pass among humans in the public, sometimes blending into crowds.
And you've interacted with, you know, a lot of people I interview have had fleeting interactions in one-off instances.
And I've done a rumble video entitled Mirage Galaxies and Edges in Space.
I first copyrighted Hall photon theory in 1997.
And I'm quite certain that there are many more particles, subatomic particles, and many more types of force fields which exist in the real world.
You have a master's degree in nuclear physics, and you scored off the charts on one of these math tests before joining the Army.
I was in the Air Force, and what you say is correct.
Well, I was a weather observer in the U.S. Air Force, and I was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base from March of 1965 until May of 1967.
And Nellis is in charge of the gunnery ranges at Indian Springs, and I was a duty weather observer at Indian Springs.
Area 51 is just in the 60s, 1965, was just the entry area to the areas, and the areas went up to number 60, and I've been in all of them.
The craft that the tall whites and the grays came in, the Roswell grays came in, could easily exceed the speed of light by many times.
And this was in the mid-1960s.
This was like in 1965, the late summer.
And to go anywhere and come back to another star, the craft you were on had to travel quite a few times faster than the speed of light, like 44 times or something minimum, just to go there and come back in two months.
I think a lot of people in the audience might hear that they're coming back and forth from, you know, a star system that is 36 light years away and want to know some core details as to what you are seeing.
Do you see crafts coming in?
And they can stand right there in front of you.
Because they'll be sitting there in total silence and one will laugh, and then they'll be going through a complete conversation.
And, of course, their electronics also are able to tell what a person is thinking and to put thoughts in the conscious part of their mind by electronic means.
Yeah, only it wasn't a big device that they had to carry in their hands.
the two women would be in front and bend over at the waist and bend forward and put their arms out like that, some usually, and they would be the front of the horse.
So you'd have the two women in front and the three children.
So if you saw them when they were out in the desert, say a quarter mile away, when they all turned on their suits, the force fields from around those suits merged into one.
You would swear there was a giant white floating horse coming at you from out in the desert.
Now, that horse could, when they were in that formation, the reason I call it the high-speed horse formation is because when they—I personally watched them when they wanted to go somewhere with—when they were out hiking, say like, and they wanted to go somewhere fast, they could form up into that formation,
And then when they got to the end, they would lift up and go over the fence around the runway and go out in the desert and turn around and pretend they were airplanes doing touch and goes.
The Norwegians are just barely able to travel in space and make it here.
When you look at the bases and where the Tall Whites and the Greys are, you have to look at the way they were in the Ice Age.
There's a place out in the deserts that I was in.
It's out in one of the most desolate sections of the Western deserts that you can imagine.
But in the southern side, the valley is an L-shaped valley, and there's a dry lake bed,
And in the mountain on the west, they'd cut 13 tunnels in the mountain on the west,
and it was large enough for their deep spacecraft to come in and pick up grain.
And so if any Ice Age animals came in to eat the grain, because they're plant-eaters,
It was only—it was just that in the Ice Age, because the weather was different,
it rained lots and lots, like it does in Kentucky.
as an extraterrestrial presence, you'd set up shop in that area.
What if the base was put there because of a pre-existing weirdness in the region?
Many of the most restricted military ranges and test sites sit in the same kind of landscapes.
But often these places were tied up in UFO sightings, cryptid creatures,
Skinwalker Ranch in Northeastern Utah is perhaps the most public example.
It's probably the most scientifically studied paranormal hotspot in the world.
Multiple UFO sightings, glowing orbs, cattle mutilations, and even reports of orange portals opening up in the air.
There was a U.S. Army outpost in the region in the 19th century.
In the 2000s, billionaire and government contractor Robert Bigelow received Pentagon funding through the OSAP program to research the ranch.
Local legends speak of tunnels and gateways hidden in the cliffs, where star people pass through shimmering portals.
Why seize a random rural property in Arizona unless there was something they felt needed securing?
Land fenced off not just for practical reasons, but because of whatever it is said to be in the land itself.
And perhaps the same tunnels in land that are occupied by the tall whites.
Charles gets into this in just a moment, but the history of how this whole area ended up getting claimed by the government doesn't quite add up.
Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.
Pine Gap in Outback Australia.
Sprawling compounds in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Now, the Desert Game Range was set up in the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt.
It was what I talk about in my book.
And after talking with a single Army Colonel, Army Air Force Colonel, decided that the Desert Bighorn Sheep, who live in the mountains like Sheep Peak, for which it's named, and the mountains to the east, must be an endangered species.
And if you're out there hiking and you see something, in the words of the park rangers, that looks like a human looking at you from over the sagebrush, which may be as tall as six feet, don't look back.
And in 1937, in order to protect the sheep, and that we're talking before World War II, Franklin Roosevelt and the Army Air Force decided that they would station a battalion of anti-aircraft guns with live ammo to protect it.
So in case it, so it wouldn't be subject to Japanese air attack.
In that specific area.
And you say that, so the sheep are being protected by an anti-aircraft crews that have live ammo, and they're open to fire at any airplane that goes across there in 1937.
What's the second time before Area 51, which gets set up in the 50s, that suspicious military or covert activity occurs in the region that might have to do with the ET presence?
When you say, if they came here in the ice age, and in order to, and they're plant eaters, and in order for, to get a little help with harvesting grain and doing manual labor and things like that, there's nobody out in Nevada, where would they get that from?
And in the time I've been talking, if they wanted to say, lift off from the backyard and go to the moon and circumnavigate the moon to check up on what's going on in the far side of the moon and return and land in the backyard right here, they would have already done so.
One of the things I personally watched them do from a distance, because if you get too close, the fields will burn you like a microwave, but like from a distance of say, like two and a half, three miles, was to lift, was to go onto the scout craft and sit down in the seats.
And in the process, they would have taken more than 15,000 Gs starting and 15,000 Gs stopping, just sitting there in the room like this.
And in case you're wondering how much that is, 10,000 Gs will liquefy steel.
They're not even in low gear.
They're not even in low gear.
Yeah, not even in low gear.
And if you're looking up straight up Indian Springs Valley and they choose to pop over to Dogbone Valley and come down and then come in one of the northern passes to see what you're doing,
it'll look like they just blinked out there and magically reappeared over there, less than a second or two later, if they were in the hands of a skilled pilot.
A lot of people who still believe in Einstein will mistakenly say they went to another dimension.
If you were in the way, the craft would run into you.
Time never runs in reverse.
Have you ever flown in a craft?
Well, I was in the cargo hold at the time because there was, as I describe in my books, the day after I thought I'd broken my kneecap and then it healed up,
And it was in the tall whites?
And so they came down and grabbed me and put me in the hold of the cargo shop.
And the door was open and we went in there and then there was a whole bunch of them in there, but there were also American,
chief master sergeants that were the human guards for the human generals and the teacher in Range 4, Harry.
And it was just like sitting here in a chair only in the cargo hold.
And it was, it was like sitting here in the chair and having the whole room just be lifted up and taken and come back.
It meant that the way my thoughts, the blood flow in the brain was, was somewhat different than the way it would normally be.
Because I said I thought there were lots of men that were better at going out in the desert and surviving and doing fixing trucks and so on than myself,
He was surprisingly young, like in his 30s.
The most famous is whistling in the dark.
They were going to hang in there at three.
He said that the first time he met me, he was shocked because in the first 15 minutes,
And you can see it in my books.
he said the problem they had, in his opinion, was that they recognized what they were up against or something of what they were up against before they understood how they were going to…had decided how they were going to react.
And he said that, in…and therefore what happened was, in just the first encounter, their psychological defenses got destroyed.
Yeah. They'll let…they'll…they have a…you know, and you can see it in there in my…there was a time when I thought that the extraterrestrials,
I was alone out in the desert, I was young and single, that if I was going to hallucinate,
I mean, she was lost in the sagebrush and you saved her life. How did they let that happen? See, then they wouldn't have to ask me to tell them about it.
be delivered to them out in the desert, and he wouldn't live another moment. Okay? Yeah.
and I would meet them there if I felt like meeting them, or if I didn't, then they would just…and before they went out, they would have to check in with the base commander at Nellis,
that I asked them that whenever they came around me, that they'd talk between themselves, if they were talking between themselves or with me in a way that I could hear, to speak English,
And then the second one was that if I saw them out in the desert, like if I came over a rise and there was one sitting on a rock, I understood that it was easy for me to sneak up on them behind them and surprise them, and I didn't want to do that.
Initially, I was supposed to go from after doing my basic training at Lackland, then I was put in PAT standing.
However, in my case, they issue two sets of orders, the real ones to San Angel, Texas, and the cover orders to the weather training school at Shunard Air Force Base, Illinois.
The idea is that the captain who is in charge of those guys, who has a safe for classified material that's locked—this is 1965, times have all changed since then—he's the one that will give out my orders.
Well, the Friday that they came in, the captain is off playing golf.
He's off playing golf and left the sergeant in command.
So, when the clearance comes—the orders come in for everybody else, and I'm—we were all in the same class together at boot camp, I think a mistake has been made.
I go in with them.
I say, well, because my cover orders are in a different location than their orders, but they're not locked up.
They're just in the temporary outbox.
He said, anytime you do anything in the military, keep two copies of your orders because you can't trust your officers.
Well, I'm in the base, and everybody else is getting paid, and I'm at weather school, and I'm the best student in the class.
I go back to weather school, and two MP air policemen and a dog come in and grab me and march me over to the base commander's office.
I had two copies in my hall.
The FBI had been looking for me at my house in London.
Well, the first time that I heard tell of the tall whites at Nellis was at my very first duty session at Nellis with another airman, which I describe in my book.
I describe it in my book.
The next clean restroom was a mile away in a group of barracks they were still building.
He claimed that when he was working NYCHA graveyard, and he was in his—he had been in its military, he was on his fourth year,
had come in off the runway, off the tarmac, unlocking the glass doors between the base operations, the interior of the base operations building, the tarmac,
And that when he came in, there was one waiting outside, standing guard, one holding the door open, and then two men,
while the third one was using the ladies' restroom, and that they were rotating so that they'd come in to use the restroom.
He panicked immediately and started screaming, locked himself in the doorway, and called the base air police,
The bathroom that was a mile down, which the mechanics down in that hangar, airport hangar, thought was haunted,
It's the one in the base ops, and on Sunday night there's nobody around.
when he was in there, that one of them came and peeked at him around the corner and said,
Then a few nights later, when he had been given an honorable discharge, because the Pentagon insisted that he and I alone in the warehouse,
on Sunday night, alone in the weather station together, work at least one duty shift.
And in the Titanic, it described a group of angels who came in a craft,
one of the lifeboats and landed on the ledge of one of the icebergs and dropped wreaths for people in the water to use as life preservers, which didn't work.
And with her feet still in the air, bent, lowered her shoulders, reached down on the grass and picked it up, assuming the very same position that was described in the book on the Titanic that I had previously read, like that night or two nights before, described by the lady in the survivor of the lifeboat that was picked up by the Carpathia,
as described in the book that I was reading. And like she was the very same girl.
So let's get into the Hall photon theory because, and just to set this up for the audience also in the thirties in 1935, Einstein, Rosen, Podolsky come up with their sort of spooky action at a distance entanglement.
And so how is the Hall photon theory an update on that? And how does that unlock faster than light travel in the form of a spacecraft?
Well, to begin with, I'd like to thank you for this nice interview. And if I don't fit in having us on your podcast, I'd like to congratulate you on just out thinking Einstein.
Okay. In 1897, everyone thought that a photon of light had only two force fields, an electric field and a magnetic field, that oscillated together. Okay.
Mm-hmm. And then they did the Mickelson-Morley experiment. And then they wanted to interpret it as though it were an experiment that you would do with little boats crossing a river and going up and down in the river.
Mm-hmm. The first one is that if you do the experiment with one photon at a time in the interferometer, you get the same results. And that means that the photon has to be split in two for that to work. Today we call that photon entanglement. But back then they said, well, I don't know, spook you at a distance, right?
because if they constructively interfere, they would have to change color. Blue photons have twice the energy of red photons. So that would mean you would be sending in blue light, or sending in red light, and looking at interference patterns of red light. But that's not the case.
All that's happening in the interferometer is that the photons are being steered into bands of red photons. That needs another force field to do the steering.
So what is, if you have, in traditional electromagnetism, classical electrodynamics, you have an electric field, a magnetic field, and a wave, and they're all sort of running perpendicular to one another, what other field types do you think exist in the Hall photon theory?
Why do you, so, is gravity in your model also orders of magnitude weaker than electromagnetism?
And see, in the photon.
They're all in the same timeframe.
The whole photon theory says that within, that light is a bundle of force fields, and there have to, there have, so there have to be a whole bunch of force fields in the photon.
Therefore, when you say, let me compute the speed of light for those force fields, as I do in beyond relativity, you come up with a speed a trillion times faster.
Based on what I personally saw in the deserts.
And in between where the lens meets the ring is concave.
Because the force fields in that region would obey Einstein's theory of relativity because they're not streamlined in that area.
The amount of energy that's lost in that little zone could go to infinity.
In the 2003 timeframe, a large group of Boeing contractors were operating near one of the launch facilities at Vandenberg Air Force Base when they observed a very large 100-yard-sided red square approach to the base from the ocean and hover at low altitude over one of the launch facilities.
There was a similar event within 24 hours later in the evening. This was a morning event, I believe 8.45 in the morning. Later in the evening, post sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors.
cabins the way you do on ships, and then up at the front you had the cockpit and the control area up on top, and control lights up on top, and then in the back you had the propulsion system.
On the other hand, see a saucer that you might have for your children to take out to the play area, which I also saw. It's not meant to go faster than light. It's just meant to go like from Bishop, California to Roswell, New Mexico in a half hour, you know? And it could do it in ten minutes, but it's just meant to have a couple of teenagers.
Take charge. Put in three younger children, say eight or ten, and go out and play, and just go around places here on Earth.
something like a car pulling a trailer, you know? See, you have to first ask, who are they and what did they mean to use that craft for? You see? Because they don't just come here in a craft. They build them while they're here. Now, the Norwegians with 24 teeth can only repair their craft when they get here.
I'm going to use my words, in their right mind, would ever take it that fast. Once you got up to about 1% the speed of light, you were covering distance so fast, in his words, that if anything went wrong, your friends couldn't find you.
And he didn't think it was made very well. He pointed out that to repair it, you had to sit the craft down somewhere, like in the desert, and go outside and open it up to repair it. But that the real deep spacecraft, you could repair everything from the inside.
So the first thing that he thought that a deep spacecraft had to have was, in addition to a double hull and fiber optic windings in between those two hulls to carry subatomic particles that would generate the force fields that you were working with, that you had to have access from the inside of the craft to repair them.
If you got in trouble, you had to have emergency beacons that used the force fields that travel faster than light to send for help.
Because those types of force fields that you're using in the design, like you could see it in the TikTok video.
So, yeah. So what do you think as far as how the… How do these engines work? How are the… What's the power source? And then, obviously, it's not chemical combustion. So what's going on in the engine?
When you… When you… When you… When you… When you… When you… When you… When you sit down to design a craft, there's five subatomic particles that are virtually always used, because they're close to being stable and easy to work with. And what you need is to have ceramic fiber… You need… You're… In your engine, you have to produce those. So you have… You don't have…
Subatomic particles in that family… That… Are…
Because they were showing… Because they were showing… That there were five different… Subatomic particles… And that when they designed them… They first said… I'm going to use this one… For this purpose… This one… For this second one… For another purpose… And so on… And so… They were showing them… That they had five different… Purposes… For that… In the design… You see… And… Okay… But… Those who… You know… Who… Who… Who mean well…
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when was the last time you saw anything bounce against the rocks in a Nevada,
It felt like you had nothing in your hands.
after you've put in your melted, after you've put in your coils,
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I don't want any turbulence in this force field.
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