Where did you live at the time? Was it in Maine or in Massachusetts?
Yeah. I mean, at that time I was studying, uh, ceramics at the program in artisanry. I was working with two amazing, um, potters. One's name was Bill Sachs, who was a potter in Western Massachusetts out in West Hadley. The other one was a guy named, uh, Rich. What was Rich's? Richard Hirsch.
Jim and Jack both at the same time in two different states, Jim lived in Massachusetts, Jack in Vermont with his wife.