Very sterile. An emergency room setting in a way. What did the beings look like? A bulbous head with large
for many years and so it's an honor to be in person with you both. You guys experienced something
we met an old logger. His name was Harry Smith, really interesting character,
water could grab them and get everything moving again. So the Allagash system still has part of an
missing, they have an idea of which campsites to start looking for you. Start looking for you.
I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he was an early kind of architect of MKUltra.
And I was an undergraduate there.
It's really up in an area of Pennsylvania that's really wild.
You know, one blink of an eye, it just stopped and then reverse, it just reversed itself.
You got a choke, you got an oil pressure gauge and you got a gas gauge and that was it.
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flash an SOS at it. So I had one of those square battery flashlights with the handle and the push
it was an intense fire. It was blazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm concerned about it. I mean, it's called a long burning fire or sometimes an upside down fire.
And stepping out from it wasn't an alien or an android.
As an astronaut.
Jim had had an injury, uh, and he developed epilepsy, temporal limbic epilepsy, and he was having a lot of seizure activity.
Did you sense anything nefarious about him or you felt like he was an honest actor?
No, I thought he was an honest actor.
He said, oh, you have an identical twin.
I also think from an investigatory perspective, if he's speaking to you first, he can get your whole testimony.
But here I am, butt naked, and I'm as helpless as an infant.
It felt chilly, very sterile, very much like an emergency room setting in a way.
I mean, here I was an individual.
I just told them they'd made an error in judgment.
And the center of the hand had like an articulation ability.
And they had this kind of, it looked like a, like a, a shape of an, uh, you know, they had a bulbous top head and had these big eyes that were more laterally situated rather than in the front.
And, and I thought they looked, they reminded me of like an ant head or an insect head.
To get an erection.
It was more like an oval shape.
Uh, if you were to take like an old, uh, pencil, the ones that had the brass barrel and the
Uh, that's the size diameter, um, and very shallow, maybe about, uh, not quite an eighth of an inch deep, uh, right here on the inside of my leg.
And sometimes I think about these, um, gray alien beings and you think about what an evolutionary
Oh, it wasn't an air force guy. Loring.
Was he an experiencer, Norcene?
No, he was working with an artist in Jamestown across the bay.
It's not like you guys have, like, had an easy time since you.
You know, he was a, he was an RVer.
And he had sent me an email and said, and some of the other people from Ann's, and he said, listen, I'm giving a lecture on my latest research at the Naval College in Newport.
this event in on the allagash i had this epiphany i mean it was like an epiphany is the only word i
all utilize this mica so you know mica is is a um it's used as an insulator to make capacitors
ancient like bioelectrics yeah fascinating well jim charlie this was an absolute honor it was a lot of fun
generous introduction here and thank you both for your time well you're very very welcome it's been an