Jim Weiner, Charlie Fultz, thank you both so much for being here. I have followed your story
Jack and Jim had just graduated from Mass College of Art. I think that year or the year before?
Sorry, Jim, you got the short end of the stick here.
Like I'd be in, in the room doing something and I'd hear this, Jim, a real deep voice.
Jim, Jim. And I thought it was, I always thought it was my father.
Yeah. Yeah. And it came closer. Yeah. And all I could hear behind me were Jack and Jim screaming,
like only a few moments from the time we started paddling to the time that Jack and Jim and I were
Uh, Jim and I gave a presentation in, uh, Portsmouth, Maine in 1995, was it?
Jim and Jack both at the same time in two different states, Jim lived in Massachusetts, Jack in Vermont with his wife.
Jim had had an injury, uh, and he developed epilepsy, temporal limbic epilepsy, and he was having a lot of seizure activity.
And then a few minutes later, one of the neurologists came in and said, uh, Jim, what just came down here?
And he said, you know, Jim, I think you really need to talk to somebody like John Mack or somebody who deals with people who have seen UFOs.
And I'm like looking around and just beyond my toes, I can see Jack and Jim and this other
Jim can tell you more about that because of something that he attempted to do.
Just a footnote about what Jim had just mentioned about these discs being placed on his ankles.
Um, and Jim real quick, just for the audience, for basic context, John Mack was the head of
ancient like bioelectrics yeah fascinating well jim charlie this was an absolute honor it was a lot of fun