And he said, well, you know, I know this guy, one of my professional people I know who turned out to be John Mack.
And he said, you know, Jim, I think you really need to talk to somebody like John Mack or somebody who deals with people who have seen UFOs.
Did John Mack over see any, or did, did John Mack review any of the, uh, hypnotic regression
I don't know what John did.
Cause we'd known John for many years, 20, over 20 years.
What, what was John Mack like?
Um, and Jim real quick, just for the audience, for basic context, John Mack was the head of
So anyway, my impression of John, when I first met him was I knew that he was a psychiatrist
I mean, but I did notice that, and I think John was more the second camp because of his
And so it's, it, my impression of John Mack was that he saw it as his,
And John was saying, look, I've given them every kind of psychiatric and psychological tests
started rolling, which I got so excited about, is I've been researching this guy named John Norseen.
you said that John Norseen, you spoke to John Norseen and he was at Allagash in the 19, in 1976,
I want to stick with this John Norcene thing, because I think this is really interesting.
I mean, he was, he's, I got to know John pretty good.
John?
I even said to him, you know, John.
I asked John that.
I asked John that.
I said, John, you know, is what we saw up there.
Well, that's what John, that's what John told me.
But you're saying that's what John literally told you?
Uh, John not heard nor seen.
John not heard nor seen.
So, you know, not nor seen is his last name, but John not heard nor seen.
But at that time, John was working with him on, uh, life energy auras around like rocks and plants and things like that.