If you are not one of the tens of millions of people who've listened to his podcast with Joe Rogan, Bob Lazar claimed he worked at a secret compartmentalized facility at Area 51 called S-4 in the Nevada desert, reverse engineering a flying saucer that looked like this.
For example, people hadn't even heard of the top secret flight testing facility Area 51 before, and they definitely didn't know its location in Nevada's Grim Lake.
Lear was not only close friends with Lazar before Lazar got hired by Area 51.
John Lear and his good friend, an aviation photographer and journalist named Jim Goodall, are camping out of Area 51 and Groom Lake constantly.
At the time, Area 51 security is very aware of John Lear and know exactly who he is by Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp's own admission.
And then Lazar gets hired at Area 51 by an apparent secret CIA UFO program that doesn't seem to care that his friend Lear has been hanging out around Area 51 and photographing it for the better part of a decade.
He had told my boss, Ned Day, managing editor, about this amazing plane that was invisible to radar flying up in Tonopah in Area 51.
Tell us a little more about the Aurora you witnessed taking off out of Area 51.
There again, working on the disk technology, I really could care less what was rolling around at Area 51.