When I saw the sine wave move, I went, oh, okay.
Well, there's a mental disconnect there that that's not supposed to be happening.
to learn more about Project Preserve Destiny.
He sent a request to the government to see all of the files on it.
It's kind of, in some ways, high strangeness.
It doesn't comport with a lot of the other stories.
And you just even being here today is sort of unlikely, right?
I was 18.
And so what, as just for the audience, basic context, what are you doing as an ELINT Air Force officer?
We had different collection platforms.
He told me how to get there and I don't know how detailed you want, but he, we had to go
through some security stuff.
He had to sign me in because my security clearances weren't there yet.
As detailed as.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My security clearances weren't there.
So, and, and that was very common in the military.
You'd, they have to transmit your security clearances to the next base or to your TDY
base or class, um, schooling or whatever.
And so they weren't there yet.
And he had to sign me in.
He signed me in and we went in, went down the hallways and he, he led me to his office.
And, uh, he had, um, now everybody understand this is 30 years ago.
So it's, it's sometimes hard to remember exactly the, uh, the details.
And, and probably the only reason I know as many details as I do know is because I wrote
a book about it.
Yeah.
Obviously.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I, I've written them and I've set them in interviews and stuff, but, um, and by the way, this is the first, interestingly enough, every, um, person that I've talked to about this in the past, like in an interview situation, it's always been a very, very canned type of situation where they would ask you a question.
And that's.
And you're paying homage to it with the black.
He said, um, he said that, uh, it was due to some future event.
And, and again, he said, this is what I've been told.
And, um, I would get in the van and he would drive me to the school and I would do exactly what we just did, which is get out of the van, go to the door.
I, my, all my information would be in the scanners and, uh, just go down and go to my console and put on the headphones and sit there.
It's like a spy thriller.
It's like, you'll be greeted by a man.
So, I mean, I know that's probably silly, but, but he did say that, that, that he would have his arms.
Sure.
Cause I think in the book you say you couldn't go to the bathroom during the blocks.
No, I could, I could not go to the bathroom.
It wasn't an audible click or it wasn't like a, you know, physical click, but, but it, it, it's like when you're, uh, focused in a camera, uh, you know, it's really out of focus and you're turning and turn it and you go.
You know, it just focused right on it.
One was another for the clicking aspect.
Fascinating.
You think of like a car and like they're, they have some sort of signals, presumably that they're going off of.
Encoding of information is done through our vocal cords and through our eyes and through our mind, but this was a higher level of encoding.
that of that energy interesting that's kind of how i've thought about it over the years i feel
think that had anything to do with the actual communications itself it just was an exercise
it's like lift weightlifting you know you put more weights on it and put more weights on it until you
like aliens were deeply involved in this program or something they had to be yeah yeah yeah it's
either that or they have this prodigia this like insane sort of psychic conventional language that
um i had to follow it i mean there's just no possible way i was too curious so i i kind of nudged
it over i put my sink blinker on and i nudged over to to follow that van and i went to um a a company called
because i saw i mean i i correlated the two so yeah and you even talked about you've hypothesized that
exotic propulsion might involve noise cancellation in some way i mean there there are all sorts of things
you know obviously in traditional electromagnetism you have a transverse hertzian wave so you have you know
a b field an e field electric field a magnetic field which are perpendicular to one another and then perpendicular
yeah yeah and i i did get asked um several times they would they would ask me where are you going because
officer and he said you're going to be he told me the name of the my uh next contact which happened
to be my unit commander um and which kind of makes sense because i think he was the only captain there
in our vision or in our little area and so um he told me his name and and and that he'll be crossing
his arms and his arms and i already knew who he was i i don't know why this was all so cloak and
dagger because all he would have said had to say was it's your unit commander you can just go talk to
him but anyway they did all the crossing arms and stuff and um so he told me when to meet him and he'll
be out front and so i went and at that time and did it met him and he took me into the facility
um we the facility that i worked it was a a base that was kind of had one mission but we had this
like little detachment that was part of the base it was on base but we had our own little security
um and um he i asked about the the other aspect of my job the black project he said don't worry about
that you'll be other people will talk to you about that i'm going to talk to you about the gray project
i could open up the dial-up box and he said i asked him you know when is it going to start do i do you
know when i'm going to start communicating or you know he knew nothing he's like all i know is this is
yeah i just was wide-eyed and bushy-tailed that's all sure sure i was just following orders but from
your experience it the answers were mostly the same it felt very coherent yeah definitely yeah i mean
communication okay and then i put a slash when that was over or done or went on to another one so they
they were they were um concepts that were in different bites so to speak so as soon as you comprehended
and i would type that and then later on when i started getting visual stuff i would see like a
little like one time i i saw um a missile um uh being launched and or not it wasn't a missile it was a
you know look up you know i mean that's hard to do you don't have the internet but i did um um
i always put i overlay my communications onto that so that it becomes a little bit more um
streber before this started rolling and he was looking to whitley streber they were about to meet the day
he died but he was this guy sarbacher ran r d under vannevar bush like he was basically vannevar bush's
esoteric and talking about radio though yeah as far as waves electromagnetic energy is that what it was
yeah i don't know what what what exact spectrum but i i i don't mean the spectrum i just mean it's about
a possibility he then goes on to you know work at saic it's this you know big military contractor that
you know made tons of money during star wars and you know strategic defense initiative and then they
manicured like like you know set thing where it's like the producers were in touch with the guests
prior clearly we're gonna go over this go over all these things like it's funny you should ask that
a hemophiliac if his wound was open this entire conference uh was uh you know saying that that he you
know had a stigmata uh you know one of the first guys to receive uh stigmata was saint francis of
i drove just about to say the state but i won't um i drove to a friend's house it was about a uh
uh but i wasn't as close to the people around me either so i had a little bit more space to do my thing
um so nobody was hovering over me or right next to me or whatever and uh that took a couple maybe a couple
months before i started receiving uh maybe not that long after i got briefed or into you know my
security clearances and i started doing my job um i started to receive communications again prepare for
communications like oh okay well here we go i'm at work let's go started to um translate those and
the same thing you know just same variety as the first well no actually the communication has changed
themselves but i'm just saying that the whole process i every once in a while i just get to
get a communication just like i did at the previous space and you're just sitting at your workstation
sometimes i was yeah sometimes i was in the bathroom i mean i could be anywhere in the building
you'd receive communications wherever yeah it but i was always in the building so you'd always be in the
building and then you'd go to the workstation and yeah they type it whoever was overseeing this whole
received some sort of message you'd go to the the monitor and you'd type in slash and you'd type in
whatever messages you're seeing and 118 then the five digit code but the rest of the communication
started on the the star trek theme so i just continued it with bones and and i only said bones
because i thought it was just a funny era i used that because it was funny but there was no really
needed to happen they were i think they were more interested in the testing of my ability to
communicate yeah then they were necessarily the content now of course i i'm sure they had off
do a be a shock to the system for sure nothing else absolutely yeah
do you think you'd be able to i honestly i think i could wow i i mean i've never done it before but
and this is very anecdotal because i i could i i sensed it when i when i was a kid i would always
when i when i watch a video of like you know these these videos where you'll have a whole montage
of people falling and and crashing into a wall yeah yeah just crashing their bike and yeah all these
um a stab in the back of the country but on the other flip side of that they were stabbing me in
said that's an nsa project forwarded it to the nsa and then the nsa said we can't comment on the
interest in aliens before i knew they were aliens really than i do now why i think it's the mystery
of it the mystery is what people are attracted to right um i mean obviously you know we want to know
stuff the modern you know the the kind of ufo research group that is you know very in the know
right now as far as the the official like the modern project blue book if you will um it's called
was assigned to the space command and and during some of my tenure in the air force and and uh they
have they have many connections to so nsa has many connections to many different um bands yeah okay
know this base was san vito de normani air station in italy in fact here's a photo of it in his book
above black i did some research and it turns out this massive antenna was designed to pick up high
frequency waves offit base in nebraska also has high frequency wave antennas and low frequency wave
antennas were these antennas and the signals they received somehow very important for the signals that
dan himself was trying to decode for the nsa were these satellites somehow aiding in his telepathic
downloads did noise cancellation technologies possibly working with the nsa in maryland provide some much
needed technological assistance in filtering out the non-alien frequencies from these transmissions
who knows but we do know that the cia was experimenting as early as the 60s under dr andrei puharic
with extra low or ultra low or sometimes called very low frequencies for telepathic alien communication
puharic's work sort of met a tragic dead end he was doing all sorts of crazy in fact he had a whole
work came to a standstill but many have speculated that it was developed and is still ongoing today so
who knows the entire electromagnetic wave spectrum is very very large is there some slice of it that
going to come out i mean you can't really keep stuff like that hidden forever yeah it's just not
it's not practical um but to the extent that we do get information it's going to be it's going to be